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I've never used PCP rifles, wondering if my bike track pump, good to 160psi would be suitable to start with? That's less than the rifles can take but does that just translate into fewer shots?

Seeing as most pcps fill to around 200bar, it'll be best to invest in a proper pump or bottle. I can recommend hills pumps, my MK4 fills my bullpup with a little effort.

Also for ratting you may want something with a power adjuster for moving from indoors to out.
Something like a secondhand brocock compatto?
 
For ratting I'd go .22, I'd go springer,
I sort of agree but new shooters find it a lot harder to be accurate with a springer and the majority of people want to pick up a gun and be accurate straight away without taking the time to practise.

When hunting, it's important to be accurate and a single shot kill should always be the priority. If you can't be 99% sure you're going to get a kill in that first shot then you shouldn't take it. The first air rifle I bought was an Air Arms TX200 and I spent hours and hours practising in the garden with a good backstop and pellet catcher. I then bought a few PCP air rifles and loved them all. The first one was an Air Arms S410 Carbine, I had one that was quite a new design but I can't remember the name - It effectively had a large push button at the front of the stock that cocked the action. I also had a rather nice and ridiculously expensive Daystate Mk3 with a walnut thumbhole stock.

Never had any interest in hunting though although I spent a lot of time around people who did hunt. In the end, I got bored with paper punching and shooting film canisters at the range and sold all the air rifles.
 
As Feek says, you have no right shooting live animals without first putting in the practice.

It's not like a game where your aim dead on. This is why. 177 is better for beginners it's trajectory is flatter. Again why PCPs are more forgiving with no recoil.

You'd need to factor in optics as well, something with a First Focal plane reticle are especially nice and easier to learn but cost more.
 
Imo you can't go wrong with the cheap Hatsans particularly their vertex range.

Wouldnt want to get stopped and checked for power though!
 
I’m looking to buy a new house which has a rabbit problem in the grounds. No near neighbours. What sort of air rifle would I need to safely dispatch them? I’m intending to eat what I kill where appropriate.

Get in touch with your local shooting club (there's a lot of them around, some are easier to find than others) and give them a call. Most of them have hunters who would be happy to do that sort of thing for you as they're always on the lookout for lands they can shoot on.

(/edited as I'd not clocked that the first post was from over ten years ago!)
 
I've never used PCP rifles, wondering if my bike track pump, good to 160psi would be suitable to start with? That's less than the rifles can take but does that just translate into fewer shots?

Edit, oops mis-read bar and psi, the guns need far higher pressure!

Yeah its a pain depending where you live, you need somewhere that refills air tanks and you need to get the air tank checked over every now and then for saftey.

PCP are so good though, you could hit a fly at 20+ yards on a calm day
 
I've never used PCP rifles, wondering if my bike track pump, good to 160psi would be suitable to start with? That's less than the rifles can take but does that just translate into fewer shots?

Edit, oops mis-read bar and psi, the guns need far higher pressure!

God no, get a proper air rifle stirrup pump. The last thing you want to be doing is pumping in moist air into a PCP's internals..
 
Any thoughts/experience regarding the Artemis M11 PCP .177? Seems good value.

No experience with an Artemis M11 but have had my hands on the Hatsan AT44-10 a fair few time ,it's about the same money and its a very decent rifle for its price point.
 
Any thoughts/experience regarding the Artemis M11 PCP .177? Seems good value.
Not that rifle, but I do have a Artemis p15 .22 and it's a great little rifle. But be aware Artemis/spa's quality control is very Chinese, you may get a good one you may get an absolute dog. Mine had reg creep out of the box which pushed me beyond the limit when the pressure dropped below 120bar and I ended up taking a brass brush to the barrel to clear out the grease they ship with.
 
Shooting rodent vermin single handed is a waste of time if you have the sort of infestation poultry keeping often brings. You could, as someone I noticed already mentioned, find a group to come onto your property to help, but rodents tend to be nocturnal, do you want a load of strangers with guns running around? I tend to favour trapping. Having a lot of dogs precludes poison. If I had small dogs that were decent ratters, like Patterdales, or a local dog club with ratters, that would be an option. My standard poodle is a fair ratter, but too big as slow to make the good grade. But one guy and a rifle has little effect on an exponentially breeding rat population.

A man with a night sight rifle is far more effective ridding foxes than the old hunts. It's horses for courses, sport or effective slaughter. Poison wins with rats, but has awful potential collateral damage. Traps second, they don't tire, or cost much. Then probably a couple of fit ratting dogs.

One rifle? Nah, not going to do much good if you want to break the prodigious breeding cycle of the common rat amidst poultry and grain.
 
That BSA Ultra CLX looks great, just a bit more than I wanted to spend. I guess they hold their value pretty well though?

Don’t buy a BSA if you can avoid it, the regulators are crap and they have design issues, pellets dropping into places they shouldn’t and a 10+ weeks turnaround on repairs at present. You may as well just buy a Gammo if that’s the direction you want to go, same barrel manufacturing process, same company, you can get a kit for a few hundred that isn’t awful. Chinese stuff is reasonable, but spares are a pita, Kral although Turkish are not much better on spares but quality is slightly better after the UK importer read them the riot act. Gammo are reasonable for parts and generally inexpensive and reliable.

Shooting rodent vermin single handed is a waste of time if you have the sort of infestation poultry keeping often brings. You could, as someone I noticed already mentioned, find a group to come onto your property to help, but rodents tend to be nocturnal, do you want a load of strangers with guns running around? I tend to favour trapping. Having a lot of dogs precludes poison. If I had small dogs that were decent ratters, like Patterdales, or a local dog club with ratters, that would be an option. My standard poodle is a fair ratter, but too big as slow to make the good grade. But one guy and a rifle has little effect on an exponentially breeding rat population.

A man with a night sight rifle is far more effective ridding foxes than the old hunts. It's horses for courses, sport or effective slaughter. Poison wins with rats, but has awful potential collateral damage. Traps second, they don't tire, or cost much. Then probably a couple of fit ratting dogs.

One rifle? Nah, not going to do much good if you want to break the prodigious breeding cycle of the common rat amidst poultry and grain.

One person shooting from sticks with something like a Pard thermal set-up can easily do three figures a night if the population supports it. A few nights a week and you can easily break the cycle pretty quickly.

In general as this thread seems to have a few examples of people with rat issues over the years, ratting isn’t glamorous, if you have a serious problem (farm, abattoirs, refuse sites), it’s a job best outsourced unless you want to throw at least a grand at kit and spend hours learning your craft and then spending hours on a permission at night. A decent shooter will be friendly/polite, always contact you before attending to make sure you know they will be on-site, present you with confirmation of insurance prior to shooting, do a walk around of the site in daylight to ensure they know where the rats are, check backstops etc. and know where is/is not OK to go/shoot including property boundaries. They’ll re-attend at night for rats, ideally with NV or thermal kit and can easily do 100+ a night on a busy permission. If it’s heaving they may bring a second gun (extra shooter with your permission) and will collect the bodies/dispose of them for you. You won’t be expected to pay for this sort of service, rats are disease spreading vermin and nobody likes them.

Anyone wanting a used rifle AGBBS is great and has a wealth of information, but Airgun Forum is another decent option. Be warned, shooting isn’t cheap, even a mid range set-up will easily run over a grand with gun, scope/mounts, case, air tank or compressor, fittings, bipod, extra magazines/speed loader and a lot more if you want night vision or thermal. Oh and pellet availability is problematic at present (German lead factory flooded, JSB struggling to meet demand), prices are going up accordingly.
 
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One person shooting from sticks with something like a Pard thermal set-up can easily do three figures a night if the population supports it. A few nights a week and you can easily break the cycle pretty quickly.

In general as this thread seems to have a few examples of people with rat issues over the years, ratting isn’t glamorous, if you have a serious problem (farm, abattoirs, refuse sites), it’s a job best outsourced unless you want to throw at least a grand at kit and spend hours learning your craft and then spending hours on a permission at night. A decent shooter will be friendly/polite, always contact you before attending to make sure you know they will be on-site, present you with confirmation of insurance prior to shooting, do a walk around of the site in daylight to ensure they know where the rats are, check backstops etc. and know where is/is not OK to go/shoot including property boundaries. They’ll re-attend at night for rats, ideally with NV or thermal kit and can easily do 100+ a night on a busy permission. If it’s heaving they may bring a second gun (extra shooter with your permission) and will collect the bodies/dispose of them for you. You won’t be expected to pay for this sort of service, rats are disease spreading vermin and nobody likes them.

Yeap, I did a bunch of ratting around 3 huge pig farms in Oxfordshire about 10 years ago. I used a very custom AA S200 with a BSA Ultra barrel/cylinder and Tweaky custom regulator with a Pulsar N550 nightvision scope and IR laser spotlight - between the 3 farms I could easily knock off 100+ a night and do that once or twice a week when requested. I used to lay out the rats, take a pic for the farmer so he could see how well I was doing for him then bag everything and let him dispose of the rats afterwards, never took a penny because, as you said, rats are vermin and no-one wants them around. In fact, whilst I killed rabbits, pigeons, crows etc for the various farmers it was only rats where I felt no remorse.
 
Managed to pick up an FX Impact with a .22 barrel and lots of modifications that should make it a very nice rifle to shoot! It's got the jumbo magazine which holds 28 pellets - crazy! Also has the 500cc carbon fibre bottle which should be plenty of air for a long session at the golf course!

Won't get to see / use it for another 10 days or so as I didn't pick it up (a friend did who lives near the seller luckily). Looking forward to getting a sling / scope fitted and zeroing it (hopefully quick and easy!).

Anyone else got or used an Impact? The guy who collected mine has one and quite likes it although he's now in love with his latest version of the Edgun Leshy!
 
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