Spec me an LED Torch

Yea, I've got a torch powered from an 18650 & one from a 21700. 18650 is thinner & fits in a pocket a little easier, but I pretty much always use the 21700 torch, as it lasts much longer & is much brighter. And actually the increased diameter I find is more comfortable to hold.
 
Are the 21700 powered torches much better than 18650? I accidentally ordered a Molicel P45B thinking it was 18650... I looked at Fenix torches that use this cell and they're so expensive :eek:

You have to be careful because not all 18650 / 21700 batteries fit in certain flashlights.

There are protected and unprotected batteries and also button top and flat top i think.

It changes the length of the battery a bit, if i remember i cant use my unprotected batteries in my Fenix and Nitecore flashlights.

My unprotected batteries only work with my cheap chinese flashlights.

I use protected fenix and nitecore batteries in my fenix and nitecore flashlights.
 
Thanks, I might keep it for now incase I decide to get a new torch at some point. I never even knew there were torches that used different size cells as it was all 18650 last time I was active.
 
Can anyone spec me a very high powered torch? I want one for security I.e. if I get alerted to someone on my drive or breaking in I want to blind the crap out of them.

Was looking at something like this:

But I’m sure there’s better out there and they probably lie about it’s strength.

Edit: this looks decent https://amzn.eu/d/0bL0saJm

Yes those are lies.

On the other hand it'll probably still be brighter than anything you've seen before so would you be unhappy?

Those are imported generics and you cannot trust what they say about performance or even the parts being used.

If you got this in 6500K https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005005009751723.html

And a battery charger for the 21700: https://convoy.aliexpress.com/store/330416/pages/all-items.html?productGroupId=254404523

Then you would have a solid torch which is obscenely bright. I have one myself

Or have usb charging instead: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005005807454397.html , select XHP70.3 HI R70 and 6500K

The 6500K part is about the tint of light it puts out, the higher the colder but also brighter it is. If you wanted indoor domestic room warm white light it would be more like 3000K.
 
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Still gets a lol.
 
Yes those are lies.

On the other hand it'll probably still be brighter than anything you've seen before so would you be unhappy?

Those are imported generics and you cannot trust what they say about performance or even the parts being used.

If you got this in 6500K https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005005009751723.html

And a battery charger for the 21700: https://convoy.aliexpress.com/store/330416/pages/all-items.html?productGroupId=254404523

Then you would have a solid torch which is obscenely bright. I have one myself

Or have usb charging instead: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005005807454397.html , select XHP70.3 HI R70 and 6500K

The 6500K part is about the tint of light it puts out, the higher the colder but also brighter it is. If you wanted indoor domestic room warm white light it would be more like 3000K.
How does the MAO Convoy compare to the Astrolux EA04 4*HP50? Reading online, the MAO has newer LED technology which I believe is also more efficient that the HP5.0 found in the Astrolux.

For me, it's brightness that counts. But the Astrolux only ever stays on boost for 5-10 seconds before the thermal sensor kicks in. :(
 
How does the MAO Convoy compare to the Astrolux EA04 4*HP50? Reading online, the MAO has newer LED technology which I believe is also more efficient that the HP5.0 found in the Astrolux.

For me, it's brightness that counts. But the Astrolux only ever stays on boost for 5-10 seconds before the thermal sensor kicks in. :(

Not been into flashlights for a bit but allegedly the HP50 is a worse and cheaper clone of the Cree XHP50 which among other things means good luck getting data sheets for the clone. But the driver and the reflector/TIR lens matters also so in the end you just have to check for decent video reviews.

Your last part is the grubby truth about flashlights as a hobby.

You can get a moderate sized flashlight which does 1000 lumens in your hand forever. Very sustainable.

Your small EA04 does 12600 lumens and that means it's a ***** and giggles design. This is its runtime graph: https://youtu.be/Y-NNggslRgw?t=244 and it doesn't stop heating up even when it backs down.

Those moderate sized Convoys do about 3000 lumens which is still unsustainable but you get over a minute at headline power. https://youtu.be/48cQ1Odnf0Q?t=212

That's a good channel for live action and stat reviews on flashlights.
 

From the design, the blurb (lies), the pictures (lies) and the reviews...

It's a piece of junk generic being imported with a cheap battery, cheap led, cheap electronics, cheap build and then being flogged with exaggerated numbers and unrelated stock pictures.

Basically it will be large for its performance, have low performance and have poor reliability. To be exact, the LED is probably putting out less than 1000 lumens and I would bet a 5000mah battery that they're not giving you a 5000mah battery, it'll be some bargain bin battery that doesn't have a capacity listed because it's that bad.

If you want a cheap performance torch you should get one imported from a quality brand.

Aha, this is new to me, Simon who is Convoy has made a real website instead of relying on his Aliexpress store: https://convoylight.com/

There are other honest brands but if you want a zoomable light (which is what you linked) which isn't some 5th party seller pushing junk then you should get this one: https://convoylight.com/collections...ashlight-zoomable?data_from=collection_detail select SFT40 and the cheapest 5000mah battery then you will need to buy a battery charger for the 21700 battery.
 
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I have had a Sofirn IF30 for a couple of weeks:
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It's a good enough sized flood/spot and for the £78 I paid (lowest price I've seen it and that was before any prime day sales!), seemed excellent for 12,000 Lumens.

However I've had niggly issues from day 1:
- The wheel is a a bit hit/miss and the stepless adjustment is difficult to know where you are exactly and also sometimes won't change apparent brightness without quite a few degrees of movement.
- It gets hot, really hot really quickly and the 12,000 lumens drops after just a few seconds, which is normal for many torches but it's quite a sudden step down and so quickly (maybe 20 seconds) that it feels a bit too over advertised.
- The battery was so hot after an hour of use (mainly <50% power, with the odd full brightness for maybe 40 seconds at a time) that I honestly felt it was not good for the battery and fear for its longevity, the entire casing was quite warm!

So on returning it, I was looking at alternatives and for the size there isn't anything around £100 that looked suitable.. I did notice the Olight marauder mini pop up in the prime sale for £129 but for 7000 lumens I felt wasn't great value even at that price.. however, as some other items did in the prime sale they occasionally dropped down in price for a few hours, and Tuesday evening the Marauder mini dropped to £99.. so I thought it'd be worth a shot.. they only had green available for next day delivery, so opted for that..
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Initial impressions are that despite similar sizing it feels more compact, the body is a nice grippy shape that fits nicely and feels that bit less generic.
I have other Olight torches that I bought for the Mrs (Baton S30R II and a Seeker 3) which share the same magnetic charger, so that's good, although I kind of like the flexibility of USB-C sockets, but Olight have been using this standard connection for long enough that you can get third party cables cheaply if spares are needed.

I charged it then took it out at 10:00PM last night with the late night dog walk and gave it a whirl, in terms of the IF30 niggles:
- for those 30-40 second bursts of full power, it doesn't really drop any brightness that I could tell.. I did leave it for 2 minutes before I noticed some obvious ramp down.
- It gets fairly warm/toasty but not uncomfortably hot, especially the battery, it was just warm after the hour of use.
- The controls are nice, the visual display of the 7 power levels (and battery level) make it a bit easier to know where you are with things, the control dial works better with the 7 steps rather than stepless controls for me, but it seemed to lag a bit every once in a while, so better but not perfect.
- I thought I'd miss the ability to have spot/flood on at the same time, which is where I think the heat issues arise on the IF30, but actually the spot is a proper spot, a perfect circle with a hard edge, and the flood is broad enough that it was OK.. if it had a 'both' mode that would be nice to try but if that is a source of battery management issues, I'll live without it

A niggle is that it doesn't have a moonlight mode.. something that I've occasionally used in winter walking the dog and I don't want to blind people who have stupidly come out at dusk with no torch and are struggling to see their dog, so not having a bright light walking towards them helps them out..

Basically it just feels better built and higher quality and seems to have a bit more consistency to it.. the RGB function is a gimmick for most, I don't need that for my usage.

I'm also glad I opted for a coloured chassis, it's actually nicer in person than the photo's suggest and definitely a nice alternative to the norm.

I can see me turning in to an Olight fanboy.. I only bought the Mrs Olight because it was a gift and ease of use/quality was worth the extra cost (always bought in sale periods though!) I then caved in a while back and bought an RN2000/BS100 pair of bike lights which have been amazing.. and I'm starting to nitpick on the cheaper but amazing VFM stuff I have.. I have found the torches I go back to are usually the slight better quality items, my Thrunite TC20 (pre-order with nice discount) just works so well and has been through hell and back.. I've had 2 or 3 other torches that are cheaper with better specs on paper, but they haven't lasted well if used a lot..
 
I have had a Sofirn IF30 for a couple of weeks:
uuHetZsl.jpg

It's a good enough sized flood/spot and for the £78 I paid (lowest price I've seen it and that was before any prime day sales!), seemed excellent for 12,000 Lumens.

However I've had niggly issues from day 1:
- The wheel is a a bit hit/miss and the stepless adjustment is difficult to know where you are exactly and also sometimes won't change apparent brightness without quite a few degrees of movement.
- It gets hot, really hot really quickly and the 12,000 lumens drops after just a few seconds, which is normal for many torches but it's quite a sudden step down and so quickly (maybe 20 seconds) that it feels a bit too over advertised.
- The battery was so hot after an hour of use (mainly <50% power, with the odd full brightness for maybe 40 seconds at a time) that I honestly felt it was not good for the battery and fear for its longevity, the entire casing was quite warm!

So on returning it, I was looking at alternatives and for the size there isn't anything around £100 that looked suitable.. I did notice the Olight marauder mini pop up in the prime sale for £129 but for 7000 lumens I felt wasn't great value even at that price.. however, as some other items did in the prime sale they occasionally dropped down in price for a few hours, and Tuesday evening the Marauder mini dropped to £99.. so I thought it'd be worth a shot.. they only had green available for next day delivery, so opted for that..
62O5Euzl.jpg


Initial impressions are that despite similar sizing it feels more compact, the body is a nice grippy shape that fits nicely and feels that bit less generic.
I have other Olight torches that I bought for the Mrs (Baton S30R II and a Seeker 3) which share the same magnetic charger, so that's good, although I kind of like the flexibility of USB-C sockets, but Olight have been using this standard connection for long enough that you can get third party cables cheaply if spares are needed.

I charged it then took it out at 10:00PM last night with the late night dog walk and gave it a whirl, in terms of the IF30 niggles:
- for those 30-40 second bursts of full power, it doesn't really drop any brightness that I could tell.. I did leave it for 2 minutes before I noticed some obvious ramp down.
- It gets fairly warm/toasty but not uncomfortably hot, especially the battery, it was just warm after the hour of use.
- The controls are nice, the visual display of the 7 power levels (and battery level) make it a bit easier to know where you are with things, the control dial works better with the 7 steps rather than stepless controls for me, but it seemed to lag a bit every once in a while, so better but not perfect.
- I thought I'd miss the ability to have spot/flood on at the same time, which is where I think the heat issues arise on the IF30, but actually the spot is a proper spot, a perfect circle with a hard edge, and the flood is broad enough that it was OK.. if it had a 'both' mode that would be nice to try but if that is a source of battery management issues, I'll live without it

A niggle is that it doesn't have a moonlight mode.. something that I've occasionally used in winter walking the dog and I don't want to blind people who have stupidly come out at dusk with no torch and are struggling to see their dog, so not having a bright light walking towards them helps them out..

Basically it just feels better built and higher quality and seems to have a bit more consistency to it.. the RGB function is a gimmick for most, I don't need that for my usage.

I'm also glad I opted for a coloured chassis, it's actually nicer in person than the photo's suggest and definitely a nice alternative to the norm.

I can see me turning in to an Olight fanboy.. I only bought the Mrs Olight because it was a gift and ease of use/quality was worth the extra cost (always bought in sale periods though!) I then caved in a while back and bought an RN2000/BS100 pair of bike lights which have been amazing.. and I'm starting to nitpick on the cheaper but amazing VFM stuff I have.. I have found the torches I go back to are usually the slight better quality items, my Thrunite TC20 (pre-order with nice discount) just works so well and has been through hell and back.. I've had 2 or 3 other torches that are cheaper with better specs on paper, but they haven't lasted well if used a lot..
Resident Olight fanboi here lol ! I have the Marauder mini myself and yes the best time to buy Olights is in their regular sales event. I recently sold a lot of my Olight stuff but I have seemed to amassed them again.
 
I have had a Sofirn IF30 for a couple of weeks:
uuHetZsl.jpg

It's a good enough sized flood/spot and for the £78 I paid (lowest price I've seen it and that was before any prime day sales!), seemed excellent for 12,000 Lumens.

However I've had niggly issues from day 1:
- The wheel is a a bit hit/miss and the stepless adjustment is difficult to know where you are exactly and also sometimes won't change apparent brightness without quite a few degrees of movement.
- It gets hot, really hot really quickly and the 12,000 lumens drops after just a few seconds, which is normal for many torches but it's quite a sudden step down and so quickly (maybe 20 seconds) that it feels a bit too over advertised.
- The battery was so hot after an hour of use (mainly <50% power, with the odd full brightness for maybe 40 seconds at a time) that I honestly felt it was not good for the battery and fear for its longevity, the entire casing was quite warm!

So on returning it, I was looking at alternatives and for the size there isn't anything around £100 that looked suitable.. I did notice the Olight marauder mini pop up in the prime sale for £129 but for 7000 lumens I felt wasn't great value even at that price.. however, as some other items did in the prime sale they occasionally dropped down in price for a few hours, and Tuesday evening the Marauder mini dropped to £99.. so I thought it'd be worth a shot.. they only had green available for next day delivery, so opted for that..
62O5Euzl.jpg


Initial impressions are that despite similar sizing it feels more compact, the body is a nice grippy shape that fits nicely and feels that bit less generic.
I have other Olight torches that I bought for the Mrs (Baton S30R II and a Seeker 3) which share the same magnetic charger, so that's good, although I kind of like the flexibility of USB-C sockets, but Olight have been using this standard connection for long enough that you can get third party cables cheaply if spares are needed.

I charged it then took it out at 10:00PM last night with the late night dog walk and gave it a whirl, in terms of the IF30 niggles:
- for those 30-40 second bursts of full power, it doesn't really drop any brightness that I could tell.. I did leave it for 2 minutes before I noticed some obvious ramp down.
- It gets fairly warm/toasty but not uncomfortably hot, especially the battery, it was just warm after the hour of use.
- The controls are nice, the visual display of the 7 power levels (and battery level) make it a bit easier to know where you are with things, the control dial works better with the 7 steps rather than stepless controls for me, but it seemed to lag a bit every once in a while, so better but not perfect.
- I thought I'd miss the ability to have spot/flood on at the same time, which is where I think the heat issues arise on the IF30, but actually the spot is a proper spot, a perfect circle with a hard edge, and the flood is broad enough that it was OK.. if it had a 'both' mode that would be nice to try but if that is a source of battery management issues, I'll live without it

A niggle is that it doesn't have a moonlight mode.. something that I've occasionally used in winter walking the dog and I don't want to blind people who have stupidly come out at dusk with no torch and are struggling to see their dog, so not having a bright light walking towards them helps them out..

Basically it just feels better built and higher quality and seems to have a bit more consistency to it.. the RGB function is a gimmick for most, I don't need that for my usage.

I'm also glad I opted for a coloured chassis, it's actually nicer in person than the photo's suggest and definitely a nice alternative to the norm.

I can see me turning in to an Olight fanboy.. I only bought the Mrs Olight because it was a gift and ease of use/quality was worth the extra cost (always bought in sale periods though!) I then caved in a while back and bought an RN2000/BS100 pair of bike lights which have been amazing.. and I'm starting to nitpick on the cheaper but amazing VFM stuff I have.. I have found the torches I go back to are usually the slight better quality items, my Thrunite TC20 (pre-order with nice discount) just works so well and has been through hell and back.. I've had 2 or 3 other torches that are cheaper with better specs on paper, but they haven't lasted well if used a lot..

I've been interested in both of these lights and nearly pulled the trigger a few times, the only thing stopping me is the Wuben X1. It has a great spec and the reviews I've seen are positive, but it's a bit more expensive, was hoping it was going to come down in the sale.
Appreciate your thoughts on both.
 
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