Speeding in a shed!

Violent-J · 12 Jul 2006 at 23:41

Firestar_3x said:
Wobble wobble, lean.... lean some more, wobble wobble.

Haha I admit it was bad before I got some 15" alloys with low pros, it used to have 13" skinnies and I would literally feel the tyres sliding but now they have a lot more grip and I also put a strut brace on so there's not much body roll now.

Jez · 12 Jul 2006 at 23:49

Violent-J said:
Haha I admit it was bad before I got some 15" alloys with low pros, it used to have 13" skinnies and I would literally feel the tyres sliding but now they have a lot more grip and I also put a strut brace on so there's not much body roll now.

All this crap is just making you look like a tit mate.

Overlag · 12 Jul 2006 at 23:53

Ollie's Gadgets said:
Friend hit central reservation in a focus at 75ish and just walked away from it. Now there are safer cars on the road than a focus but it is a new car with air bags are safety design.

An old car often will not have air bags/crumple zones etc which make it so dangerous to be driving at those speeds.

erm cars have had crumple zones since the 80s, its not a new thing....

hell some cars are less safe now. Clios are plastic for god sake.

At least in a old granada for instance, if you hit something the car will still look like a car afterwards. A clio would be a mangled peice of trash.

Firestar_3x · 12 Jul 2006 at 23:55

Overlag said:
hell some cars are less safe now. Clios are plastic for god sake.

At least in a old granada for instance, if you hit something the car will still look like a car afterwards. A clio would be a mangled peice of trash.

Are you trying to say an old granada is more safe than a new clio.

You do know why a car crumples into a mess don't you?

You do know that its not because its less safe but because its more safe, if you feel the need to comment on things such as safety at least read the book / watch the video before making statements like that.

Violent-J · 13 Jul 2006 at 00:01

Jez said:
All this crap is just making you look like a tit mate.

Firestar_3x said:
Are you trying to say an old granada is more safe than a new clio.

Your right, as far as I know the cars are designed to crumple up and infact have crumple "zones" to absorb the impact and protect the driver? so although it looks like a mangled wreck there is probably less chance of injury or death. It's like in F1 the nose is designed to crumple at first to absorb all of the impact and g forces.

Firestar_3x · 13 Jul 2006 at 00:06

Violent-J said:

The wider wheels will help cornering but the heavier weight will increase 0-60 times since you have increased the unsprung mass of the vehicle.

Strut braces hold the top suspension turrets of the car together to keep the suspension geometry more unifom when the shell is twisting during hard cornering, it won't make it lean less.

Overlag · 13 Jul 2006 at 01:20

Firestar_3x said:
Are you trying to say an old granada is more safe than a new clio.

You do know why a car crumples into a mess don't you?

You do know that its not because its less safe but because its more safe, if you feel the need to comment on things such as safety at least read the book / watch the video before making statements like that.

I'm fully understand what crumple zones are about. Its about cushioning the impact.... Smoothing the deceleration (crash) down so not to hurt the drivers/PAX. You can see this sort of thing from motor sport... F1 for instance. In the 40s to the 80s the cars are ultra solid and never break up. However every minor crash often ended in deaths. However these days cars brake up into just the survival cell to dissipate all the energy.... and it works.

A old car like a Granada has crumple zones, but at least it will still look like a car after a crash. The only thing that would scare me in that is lack of airbag and the old "style" steering straight column. Yes, newer saloons are safer, i totally agree.

However a car designed for 160ish MPH is going to be stronger than a car designed for 80-90. Take the example of the BMW crashing at 120mph earlier in this thread. It was designed to take that kinda punishment. A Fiesta/clio/mirca (Violent-J

) is not. These things fall apart at 50+. Yet there's so many modded versions these days that put out 150-180BHP (Not a Micra i might add

)...

My mate has a picture of his Fiesta after a 50mph crash and from the front you really have NO clue what it originally was. Engine was pushed so far back it had crushed the foot well slightly. The doors wouldn't open, the chassis had bent, both front suspension mounts had gone through the top of the mounts and all 4 wheels had broke (alloys).

If he had hit something at 70 he would have been dead judging by that "crumple" zone.

And my original concern was my Sisters Clio. Plastic wings... What sort of cushioning are they going to do? They will just snap and fall off....

Firestar_3x said:
You do know why a car crumples into a mess don't you?

thats fine untill that mess is where your sitting.

Sure If you get a sideward impact in a granada you might end up with massive brusing and even brain damage. But in a clio the guy will drive right through you. Crumple zones can go TOO far....

Smiley Man · 13 Jul 2006 at 21:38

this thread seems to assume all small cars are dire at speed, when its simply not true

take my car, and my friends car, both small european blobs with identical top speeds (115)

my car feels unstable above about 90, although ive taken it higher, i just didnt feel safe, but cruising at 80 it feels planted, and i see other 206's wizzing by at 90+

my mates car, punto diesel, feels glued to the road at 120+ (off the speedo) but going by what people here are saying it should have rolled and flipped numerous times :confused:

granted it may have firmer suspension and a big lump of a diesel engine up front, but it certainly didnt feel *that* bad at 120, and could soon get down to NSL if required

James_N · 13 Jul 2006 at 22:18

120mph out of a diesel punto? how did you manage that? my mates 2 litre HDI 307 will only top out at 115mph.

Smiley Man · 13 Jul 2006 at 22:20

James_N said:
120mph out of a diesel punto? how did you manage that? my mates 2 litre HDI 307 will only top out at 115mph.

thats off the clock, so probably about 115-118 real speed

its the 100bhp HGT so a bit quicker than your average punto

~9s to 60

silversurfer · 13 Jul 2006 at 23:20

Heres a good page why a small engine doesn't do high speeds well.
33% more power needed for 10% increase in speed

http://www.pumaracing.co.uk/topspeed.htm

[TW]Fox · 13 Jul 2006 at 23:26

Smiley Man said:
this thread seems to assume all small cars are dire at speed, when its simply not true

Yes, it is. It's simple physics mainly - small things are not good at high speed.

Why do you think the Veyron, Enzo etc etc are pretty damn huge?

Violent-J · 13 Jul 2006 at 23:29

Because they have a huge engine?

Zip · 13 Jul 2006 at 23:36

[TW]Fox said:
Yes, it is. It's simple physics mainly - small things are not good at high speed.

Why do you think the Veyron, Enzo etc etc are pretty damn huge?

Huge as in heavy or huge as in Wide? :confused:

Eliot · 13 Jul 2006 at 23:42

Smiley Man said:
violent J has been raving on about his micra in various threads recently

so hes not implying i have a micra then? i take taht as offense

Nozzer · 14 Jul 2006 at 01:34

The Veyron isn't actually that big.

[TW]Fox · 14 Jul 2006 at 01:36

Nozzer said:
The Veyron isn't actually that big.

It's also hardly a Punto.

Nozzer · 14 Jul 2006 at 01:37

No, but it's a lot smaller than, say, an Enzo.

silversurfer · 14 Jul 2006 at 02:25

Veyron
Wheelbase: 2700 mm (106.3 in)
Length: 4466 mm (175.8 in)
Width: 1998 mm (78.7 in)
Height: 1206 mm (47.5 in)
Curb weight: 1950 kg (4300 lb)

Enzo
Wheelbase: 2650 mm (104.3 in)
Length: 4702 mm (185 in)
Width: 2035 mm (80 in)
Height: 1147 mm (45 in)
Curb weight: 1365 kg (3000 lb)

Micra
Wheelbase: 2430mm
Length: 3695 mm
Width: 1660 mm
Height: 1535mm
Curb weight: 1030 kg

Fastest Micra on an original engine?

Nissan March ST S/C + Turbo

147 WHP

60': 2.266 secs

1/8 Mile ET & MPH: [email protected]

[1/4 Mile ET & MPH] [email protected]

http://www.micra.org.uk/member.php?&do=vehicledetails&userid=4

This looks nice, I think Veyron the racing driver won lemans '39 in it

Smiley Man · 14 Jul 2006 at 10:50

[TW]Fox said:
Yes, it is. It's simple physics mainly - small things are not good at high speed.

Why do you think the Veyron, Enzo etc etc are pretty damn huge?

thats fair enough, but i see you commented on how daft it is crusing at 90 in a KA in another thread, in all fairness if it was a punto or a ka i had to choose to be in at 120, it would be the punto, but the 206 is something like 5cm shorter than the punto, but i wouldnt feel happy in my car at 120. probably cos of the screaming engine and wallowy suspension, 206 GTi 180, thats another matter though

i'm not sure how fast we were really going, but the speedo was off the end, so 120+ speedo, 115 GPS i reckon

i think he wants it remapped, so will need the speedo from the petrol HGT