When you consider plenty of vans have no rear windows, sticking a daft sign in the back of a car, whilst looking stupid, doesn't really hamper your visibility significantly
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When you consider plenty of vans have no rear windows, sticking a daft sign in the back of a car, whilst looking stupid, doesn't really hamper your visibility significantly
I had a friend who was sleeping in the passenger seat reclined and his dad had a head in crash with another car. He actually slid under the seat belt and was crumpled in a heap in the footwell of the car. If his dad didn't tell the ambulance crew they would have never known he was in there.
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The amount of people that drive in Lane 2 and refuse to pull in to Lane 1 when they should is just ridiculous. It causes needless congestion and frustration on the motorway in my experience.
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Get this a lot now the new company car has its speed monitored by head office.
I'm not going to speed up as I get moaned at by HR so it's tough and as more and more company cars are being monitored they'll have to get used to it.
Makes overtaking on motorways a right pain as anything over 78 gets logged as an incident.
I'm not going to speed up as I get moaned at by HR so it's tough and as more and more company cars are being monitored they'll have to get used to it.
Makes overtaking on motorways a right pain as anything over 78 gets logged as an incident.
That's a neat story. What exactly does it have to do with a baby on board sign?
Parents of babies never tend to shut up about their little darlings in the first place, I'm pretty confident if one was in an RTA they'd be pretty quick to tell the emergency services if the child was stuck in there.
A lot of vans have larger wing mirrors and plenty HGVs require extra training to legally operate. But yes you can legally and safely drive without not seeing from the rear window, however any visibility you have helps you get around more safely. Intentionally blocking part of it with a preachy sign which serves absolutely no purpose isn't a safety driven choice.
Im personally just glad I'm not remotely close to jono_astra on the road, his attitude to those around him on the road is awful - provided him and his daughter are OK and he's made sure everyone knows about his offspring, sod everyone else around him.
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When did I say I tailgate anyone? I keep a safe distance whether there's children in the car infront or not. If someone around me is acting like an idiot, I act to remove the risk to myself rather than try and "teach them a lesson". I'm not a parent no, but when I do have kids I don't expect other road users to act any differently and see absolutely no reason that they should. I still think it's completely ludicrous that having a kid is even thought as relevant when talking about tailgating.
It's been explained to you before multiple times that the in situation you described, your actions were not the safest and were actually pretty obnoxious. What's really galling is that you really seem to believe that people should actually act differently to your car compared to others because of your silly little sign. Why does your car deserve to have more care taken around it than mine? Just because I've not had kids, it's ok for people to be careless around my car and its occupants?
It's been explained to you before multiple times that the in situation you described, your actions were not the safest and were actually pretty obnoxious. What's really galling is that you really seem to believe that people should actually act differently to your car compared to others because of your silly little sign. Why does your car deserve to have more care taken around it than mine? Just because I've not had kids, it's ok for people to be careless around my car and its occupants?
To be fair, Jono, your response to the trucker arguably put both you and your child in much greater risk and your evident clear contempt for other drivers on the road means I would never want to be anywhere near you on the road.
Who in their right mind thinks that brake checking a lorry and then irritating both him and the road users behind him with some childish little antics is a good idea? "Hurr, I know how to protect my kids, I'll irritate and incite road rage in the drivers around me whilst I justify it by thinking that I'm doing it all for them..."
(Yes, yes, you didn't 'technically' brake check the lorry, but even by coming to a complete stop, it's hardly going to be something the truck driver will be anticipating - not when he can see over and in front of your car and knows nothing is there. Even in a controlled stop the lorry may well have a much greater stopping distance than you, depending on its load, driver reactions, road conditions etc...)
Who in their right mind thinks that brake checking a lorry and then irritating both him and the road users behind him with some childish little antics is a good idea? "Hurr, I know how to protect my kids, I'll irritate and incite road rage in the drivers around me whilst I justify it by thinking that I'm doing it all for them..."
(Yes, yes, you didn't 'technically' brake check the lorry, but even by coming to a complete stop, it's hardly going to be something the truck driver will be anticipating - not when he can see over and in front of your car and knows nothing is there. Even in a controlled stop the lorry may well have a much greater stopping distance than you, depending on its load, driver reactions, road conditions etc...)
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Gotta jump in here: I've actually been hit from behind by some 'unpleasant person' tailgating. We were approaching green light on a crossroads and he was up my chuff. I slowed down in case the lights turned red before we got to them. Anyway he still hit me
Then he claimed I was high or drunk (?!?!!!)
Um you were the one driving too close in a Merc 4x4!!
So yeah if you're too close then I'll just flow right down. Least the impact will be less...
Yet another 'non fault accident' where the 'innocent party' was almost as much to blame.
You braked for no reason when faced with a green traffic light. He was too close to you and couldn't react in time. Legally his fault but it hardly seems one sided. Don't slow down for no reason and don't follow the car in front too closely.
This is why non fault accidents load your premiums guys
I agree to a certain extent, but I find that in general traffic tends to flow at a slightly higher speed than the speed limit.
I drive the same way to work each day and You get a feel for where everybody speeds and where everybody sticks to the speed limit. You'll find that vast majority of the population just drives a safe braking distance from the car in front and pays no attention to what speed they are actually doing.
Stick with what you feel safe with for now, and you'll find with confidence and experience you will start to up your speed to match the flow of traffic and you'll get tailgated less.
and when you're conscious of the fact there's a queue of cars waiting to overtake you, move over into inside lane (where possible) to let them by.
Your friend is a child ? not sure what relevance this has to the stupid baby on board stickers.
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A lot do, plenty don't either though. Whilst I see where you're going with the argument, I lose more rear visibility from my rear headrests than I would a tiny little sign in the corner of the window. Yes they're pointless but you're making a mountain out of a molehill with this 'intentionally blocking your visibility' stuff, it's hardly in the same league as these people you see with a sat nav slapped right in the middle of the windscreen.
Nobody here is saying tailgating is correct, the entire point of this thread is discussing how to deal correctly and appropriately with that situation. Don't be a drama queen. But no, forcing a truck to come to a stop, in the wet, on a hill, presumably with other traffic behind him, all because you thought he was too close is absolutely not the right thing to do.
''Rules are just guidelines'' as per sig.
I never have tailgaters even when I drive slowly/calmly. Even on the motorway when driving calmly on cruise for overtaking I will speed up to limit my time on the left (right in the UK's case) lanes and quickly move back, at a certain point after releasing throttle the cruise control picks up again and I resume at my old speed.
Speed limits are retarded anyway, there are city or residential areas where doing 30 mph would be mental, and there are roads where 30 is so sleep inducing they can stick their 30 mph limit somewhere. The motorway the same, most of the speed limits in my area are not for safety but for environmental or political reasons, so they can stick their limit up their arse.
I never have tailgaters even when I drive slowly/calmly. Even on the motorway when driving calmly on cruise for overtaking I will speed up to limit my time on the left (right in the UK's case) lanes and quickly move back, at a certain point after releasing throttle the cruise control picks up again and I resume at my old speed.
Speed limits are retarded anyway, there are city or residential areas where doing 30 mph would be mental, and there are roads where 30 is so sleep inducing they can stick their 30 mph limit somewhere. The motorway the same, most of the speed limits in my area are not for safety but for environmental or political reasons, so they can stick their limit up their arse.
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[TW]Fox;29065480 said:Yet another 'non fault accident' where the 'innocent party' was almost as much to blame.
You braked for no reason when faced with a green traffic light. He was too close to you and couldn't react in time. Legally his fault but it hardly seems one sided. Don't slow down for no reason and don't follow the car in front too closely.
This is why non fault accidents load your premiums guys
Slowing down on the approach to a light controlled junction when your light is on green is not "For no reason"
It is slowing for a hazard.
There is always the possibility that a pedestrian/cyclist might "Take a chance" on you and also the possibility that a driver coming from the other way might jump the lights, either wilfully or accidentally!
If anyone was involved in an accident under these circumstances and it was shown that they went through the green at 60 MPH (Say) then (especially in the case of a pedestrian or cyclist) I would not expect it to go well for them.
In any case, it is advisable to open the gap ahead on the approach to lights to allow for the driver ahead hard stopping on an amber. This inevitably involves a degree of slowing down.
"Brake Testing" the tailgater is dangerous, but "Slowing down" is perfectly reasonable practice.
He braked sufficiently hard that the Muppet behind him drove into him. That's not normal behaviour when presented with a green light.
Is this about jono_astra? If he brake checked a lorry for tailgating with a baby in the car, he should not be allowed to procreate imho.
Generally all people who brake check should have their license shredded immediately, not only do they endanger people, they also **** up insurance premiums for everyone and cost tax money for the police and ambulance services and economic damage by causing congestion through an accident
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You don't create accidents to get your right, let things go, it's in everyone's best interest (well perhaps except greedy insurance companies or damage repair companies) to prevent accidents.
Generally all people who brake check should have their license shredded immediately, not only do they endanger people, they also **** up insurance premiums for everyone and cost tax money for the police and ambulance services and economic damage by causing congestion through an accident
.You don't create accidents to get your right, let things go, it's in everyone's best interest (well perhaps except greedy insurance companies or damage repair companies) to prevent accidents.
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If the limit was not below 60mph, then why would it not go well for them?