** spoilers ** English League Football [20th - 22nd November 2010]

He raised his arm. The ball hit his arm. It was a handball. He handled the ball. It hit him on the elbow when he put his arm in the way of it. The ball, flying through the air, made contact with Cesc Fabregas' arm. His arm. Which was raised. When he handballed it.

I know I'm only going to provoke another essay/tirade from you, but it was a handball, plain and simple. You raise your arm and the ball strikes it, it's going to be given against you. Doesn't matter if your arm is halfway up, bent, doing the spout on "my little teapot", or dismembered and flying through the air. It's still a handball. I don't see how you can say anything otherwise.

As said, you'll only swear blind that black is white, so I'll try my best to make that my last comment on the matter.
 
Fabregas' arm was far higher than you might reasonably expect and the ball may well have flown past him if his arm/elbow didn't intercept it. Dunno how that can be seen as anything but a pen.

Also it's worth noting that his arm was attatched to his shoulder at the time, so in this instance it wasn't really possible for his entire arm to be literally above his head. I know this arm above head thing must be a general rule, but surely there's a sub rule stating when arm is attatched to body, head height will do :p.
 
explicit4u said:
Half Time Scores:

Birmingham 1 - 0 Chelsea
Blackpool 2 - 0 Wolves
Bolton 2 - 0 Newcastle
Man Utd 1 - 0 Wigan
West Brom 0 - 0 Stoke City
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Half time table looks like this

1 Chelsea 14 19 28
2 Man Utd 14 12 28
3 Arsenal 14 13 26
4 Man City 13 5 22
5 Bolton 14 4 22

MW
 
Shamikebab said:
sounds like a lacklustre performance from United so far? Who would have thought it? Fergie once again risking points by dropping people :(
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Carbon copy of the Wolves game from the other week. Wigan have looked the better side but 1 lapse in concentration and you've snuck a goal right on HT.
 
wedgie said:
Fabregas' arm was far higher than you might reasonably expect and the ball may well have flown past him if his arm/elbow didn't intercept it. Dunno how that can be seen as anything but a pen.

Also it's worth noting that his arm was attatched to his shoulder at the time, so in this instance it wasn't really possible for his entire arm to be literally above his head. I know this arm above head thing must be a general rule, but surely there's a sub rule stating when arm is attatched to body, head height will do :p.
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Was quite a harsh penalty but looking at the replay his arms don't go to protect his face they go straight up as if he's trying to punch the ball

MW
 
Such a poor league this year, the best we're going to get is a league winner that wouldn't have got near the title for probably the last 7 or 8 years.
 
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