**SPOILERS** The Football League Cup 2010/2011 Final

Plus of course to even get into the World Club Championship you need to have won the Champions League in Europe....I'd say that elevates it a bit higher.
 
jonneymendoza said:
RT @jack_wilshere Well done to the BCFC player who slapped Koscielny on the head when they scored, very big of you!
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Hmmm, tbh tensions were high, it hardly hurt him and it looked like he was in the way, also that the same Wilshere that has been arrested twice for causing trouble, glass houses and all that
 
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guyfawkes5 said:
Yeah, that's why Manjoo, Inter, et al, rest players in their domestic league so they can compete in it...
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Yeah, not to do with money, winning games in a world club tournament against other world teams from other continents, it has NOTHING to do with the money and good coverage and fans you can gain by winning something like that.

Its a joke cup, you get VERY lucky if you have 2 good teams in it theres often only one decent European team, have the European team in it NOT spanked the opposition in recent years? Jesus Benitez got fired weeks(if that) after winning the thing convincingly, while having the worst season in like, 8 years at Inter, really shows what the level of that cup is.

cheets64 said:
Hmmm, tbh tensions were high, it hardly hurt him and it looked like he was in the way, also that the same Wilshere that has been arrested twice for causing trouble, glasses houses and all that
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Jesus christ Cheets, what utter utter trash, I actually don't mind Wigan at all, one or two very good players, trying to play actual football just not very effectively, but wow do you jump on anyone else failing.

He was in the way, really, what complete rubbish. As for glass houses, again, what, the first caution he got was for getting involved in a fight by DEFENDING someone after OTHER PEOPLE were fighting as I understand it.

The second one a group of friends got rowdy towards a cabbie, theres entirely NO information on if WIlshire said a single thing to the cabbie or if it was other people, maybe he shouldn't be hanging out with bad people but holding him responsible for others actions is a bit daft.

G|mp said:
Funny how when Keown jumps about like a monkey in front of RvN it's all forgotten, glass houses, people, stones and all that.
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Firstly Keown and other players got a LOT of stick for it AND got in trouble with the FA over it, its all forgotten, not really Arsenal were fined and players were punished, so to get the same treatment means whoever did it should also be punished.

Likewise Kos gifted them a cup final, he didn't dive for a penalty he missed, he didn't get someone sent off he didn't foul the hell out of the player he then got sent off and he's also not been involved in MANY incidents with said player for a couple years.

Different situations, get over it, likewise again, I'll point out, Keown jumped next to RVN and brushed against him, he didn't shove his head down while running past while he was crumpled on the floor.
 
drunkenmaster said:
Yeah, not to do with money, winning games in a world club tournament against other world teams from other continents, it has NOTHING to do with the money and good coverage and fans you can gain by winning something like that.
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No idea whether you're agreeing or disagreeing here, surely those are all reasons to actually play in the cup?

drunkenmaster said:
Its a joke cup, you get VERY lucky if you have 2 good teams in it theres often only one decent European team, have the European team in it NOT spanked the opposition in recent years? Jesus Benitez got fired weeks(if that) after winning the thing convincingly, while having the worst season in like, 8 years at Inter, really shows what the level of that cup is.
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European teams have lost to the South American contigent relatively recently.

How does Rafa getting fired after winning it reflect on the trophy? I'm sure if McCleish won the Carling Cup this season as they have done now, BUT were hypothetically rooted to the bottom of the table and mathematically relegated by March, he would be shown the door even though relative to Birmingham the League Cup is a 'big deal'. Dire league performances aren't covered up by trophies, even big ones.
 
Disagreeing, financial reasons doesn't some how make the cup worthwhile in terms of, "haha your teams crap, we won the World club cup" type of way, which is why people are saying the Carling cup/charity shield/WCC are worthless, in terms of actual football they mean very little. Carling cup, as I've said WAY before and all through the competition without wavering and suddenly talking it up when we got to the final, its the "best of the rest" competition, yeah if our youth team won it that WOULD be huge, our first team, meh, at best.

Theres nothing wrong with that, Arsenal have been and should be aiming for a champs league final, a league win, and maybe an FA cup, different teams have different priorities, again theres nothing wrong with Brentford winning the LDV final, or whatever the heck its called at the moment, nor Brum winning the carling cup, for teams with little to no money, or massively less than the premierleague top clubs, its a serious achievement.

AS for Rafa getting fired, I think I might be hinting that, Inter were playing truely woeful league football, he's getting slaughted for taking a 58 time winning team with essentially no competition(the only real competition last season was Roma who started MUCH worse than Benitez) and making them look like an incredibly average team. He won the cup, but that doesn't prove a damn thing, beating the Asian cup champions didn't make Inter a brilliant team.

Essentially we're talking about which cup is worth winning based on who you play and how you get there.

Nothing beats the league, consistancy over 38 games is something few teams achieve, Champions league is a cup, you can always get lucky against worse teams but in the CL there are a heck of a lot less poor teams and ALL the best teams in Europe. The FA cup tends to have all the top premierleague teams really trying, the carling cup, again, the top teams simply don't bother with, unless the manager is utterly desparate for a cup........



ANyway, Arsenal screwing up, made a loss in the past 6 months, giving ridiculously high wages to utterly woeful players is ripping into our profits.

If these rumours of 26mil over 5 years for Nasri are true, wtf are we doing, entirely no where near worth it.

To keep Nasri, a fairly mid range scoring striker as thats exactly what he's been this season, for 5 mil a year is ridiculous, we wouldn't pay Henry over 100k a week for ages but Nasri gets it after half a slightly prolific but fairly useless season. Diaby, Song, Denilson on 30-50k a week depending on sources, Theo, 60k a week, what a complete joke and Kos/Squillaci will be on fairly decent salaries.

I've said for YEARS that Arsenal might be cheap in the transfer market but we pay younger players far more than other clubs would, and we've got a huge squad all on decent to high wages. Yes we're not mental like City/Chelsea but we're pushing up in wages and down in profits, will keeping an ever decreasing quality squad which grows by the season.

We could trim 5-6 players out of the first team squad who are all on 30k + a week without even noticing, either so crap or utterly ignored by Wenger.
 
davecarter said:
Anyone know who the birmingham player was, Im no Arsenal fan but this really wasnt on
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Barry Ferguson i think was the player who pushed Kos on the back of the head...it wasnt really nice but meh who cares really....i guess being over excited about winning the CC is something new for the Brummies:p...they havent got much to be excited about these days:p
 
Andybtsn said:
Push on back on head > Elbow to the face :confused:
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1. Rooney wasn't an elbow, it was his arm.
2. How is violence while playing worse than violence during a stoppage in game?

What's worse if someone catches someone during a challenge or goes up and lamps them when the ball is out of play?
 
Spawn said:
Barry Ferguson i think was the player who pushed Kos on the back of the head...it wasnt really nice but meh who cares really....i guess being over excited about winning the CC is something new for the Brummies:p...they havent got much to be excited about these days:p
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Don't wanna sound too bitter, but if you've ever been to Birmingham this kind of holds true. Let them have that little bit of sunshine... ;)
 
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