Spring Budget 2023

adam cool dude said:
Are you related to that guy who lived near me as a kid and would knife children's footballs if they came near his house?

If you want us to turn into a Japanese economy which is going to collapse then sure everyone stop having kids.

If you don't want a state pension stop having kids because there will be no one to pay the taxes.

We might as well close all schools as well as you are paying tax for those children to be educated.

I pay my tax for all those lazy gits that had 6 months off during Covid, the energy handouts because people live beyond their means, obese people and self inflicted health issues on the NHS etc etc but paying for children which is the future of our society should be a priority by any government.
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People still don't seem to realise that when they pay income tax/national insurance etc. It's not to fund their retirement but the retirment of the current crop of OAP.
Their public pension/costs when they are old are then paid by people who are children now. That's why you want to encourage people to have children.
This is from someone who has no plan of having kids and I support help with childcare
 
Rilot said:
I wonder what the Daily Mail headline will be tomorrow. The Kwarteng budget was hailed by them as a fantastic, conservative budget.
Considering he's put corporation tax up by 6%, will they decry a "Lefty, woke, budget"?
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I think the standard argument is we must reduce it "because investment" but even if it goes up "still lowest in G7".
 
MikeTheNative said:
People still don't seem to realise that when they pay income tax/national insurance etc. It's not to fund their retirement but the retirment of the current crop of OAP.
Their public pension/costs when they are old are then paid by people who are children now. That's why you want to encourage people to have children.
This is from someone who has no plan of having kids and I support help with childcare
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The children of today will be the adults of tomorrow who are wiping your bum in care homes.
 
robfosters said:
Surely we’ll have bum wiping robots by then?
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Devilman said:
No, I would prefer for people to be able to afford the choice to have kids without needing propping up by everyone else in society.

It's really not that hard to grasp.
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How many parents in this country do you think have £14k a year disposable net income, after they've paid all of their current bills? In addition, there's the cost of clothes, nappies, baby food, prams etc.
 
ChrisD. said:
How many parents in this country do you think have £14k a year disposable net income, after they've paid all of their current bills? In addition, there's the cost of clothes, nappies, baby food, prams etc.
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Arguably, subsidising child care will support / encourage growth in the economy too. £14k / year in additional disposable income is a lot of money back into the economy.
 
UTmaniac said:
Where has he plucked inflation nosediving to 2.9% from?

Has he forgotten to say that prediction is for middle of next government?
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Out of his ****.

Also, it doesn't matter if it drops (ok, its better than it staying high), but the damage is already done, and we are still going to get 3% on top of the already sky high prices/inflation that has already happened.
 
200sols said:
Amazing that you defend the poor on the one hand about smoking and on the other you say fuel prices should rise which would hammer the poorest further.
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Actually that's untrue. Fuel duties apply fairly equally across income deciles, with the poorest paying the lowest share by proportion of income (1.5%) and those just above middle paying the most (2.7%). Fuel duty rises are vital to incentivise the purchase and use of more efficient vehicles and reduced use of available vehicles. We cannot simply ignore the massive negative impact of higher fuel use.

Also, I don't oppose higher tobacco duties because of their impact on the poor (although that's true); I oppose them because I believe they are unjustifiably punitive and achieve no more reduction in smoking than lower duties.

EddScott said:
You said something that was wrong and I corrected. Don't sweat it.
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I didn't say anything wrong. You can still put more money aside for your pension; and you don't receive the same generous pension tax benefits. Both of these claims are true.
 
McBain said:
Forcing the sick into work, good ol’ Tories
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I don't recall them forcing anyone, they are providing support for those who do, by decoupling disability benefits from income. Or at least that's what I recall them saying.

The only way this may manifest is if they are working less than 18 hours a week. Which is below what is considered part time hours.
 
Haggisman said:
So, given that's not possible, would you prefer people stop having kids?
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not possible is a strong term.

It is far from impossible, It's very possible, they just won't do it.

If they can throw billions up the wall to their mates on dodgy PPE contracts and a failed Track & Trace system, or tank the pension fund with an insane budget that made the entire global economy grab a sharp intake of breath and a look of bewilderment towards what the UK was doing and then sweep it under the rug like it was nothing, I have no doubt they *could* do it.

Our current system is lop-sided in that it almost discourages those professional working families from having children, while enabling those "baby factory" types.

You don't correct that imbalance by tacking on sticking plasters left and right, you go after the root cause.
 
I'm not liking the sound of the disability benefits rework. Sounds to me like they plan to just get rid.
 
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