No, train drivers are fairly paid because they have a strong union.
The question should be: how do we build strong unions for everyone else?
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No, train drivers are fairly paid because they have a strong union.
The question should be: how do we build strong unions for everyone else?
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Thats not a a proper strike like TFL shutting down the entire network for one day, if they want to do the same, they can shut down every hospital for one day.
Its just extortion, we dont need more of it
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Strong unions always works which is sad reality that you need them. As you said it isn't that train drivers are overpaid but rather other sectors are underpaid. In my old company the site which I worked at had 77% union membership with the shop floor. The staff there had paid breaks, 3 breaks in a shift and 13 weeks max sick leave. I moved to another site as I was getting made redundant and they only had 2 breaks, no paid breaks and 0 sick leave on SSP because the union was non existent. Same company just 30 miles down the road.
The company's Profits are normally around the 80 million mark per year as well.
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So what in your opinion would be a fair wage? Give us a ballpark figure.
Are they on less or more than you?
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Its for the market to decide the wage of a job, this is not happening with train drivers.
The whole train/tube system is a disaster to begin with, too much taxpayer money is going there.
Probably more depending on who you mean, what does that matter, my point is against strikes.
If you support strikes for train drivers you support strikes for all possible jobs.
How about if the energy companies say, nah, we will not do the cap, nor will we pay any tax whatsoever, If you do not like that, we will go on strike by shutting down all power stations.
Given there has been a well documented shortage of train drivers for the last few years and train operating companies have been cancelling trains left and right where even the overtime drivers are doing will not cover the work, I’m not even sure where is point is going.
Knowing Platinum87, I'd say we're going if anything isn't done by pure free market capitalism, then it's communism.
Rubbish.
Yeah guys let's strike if you'll only pay us triple what you did the year before
Supply and demand market forces only work if the market is free and open, that's not the case with large infrastructure like trains. It could be made to work but then the entire network would have to flex to that supply and demand resulting in routes with little demand being shutdown and routes with higher demand having new tracks laid.
I'm not sure how the public would react to having their homes knocked down because there's high demand on a certain routes and other routes being closed because there's not enough demand, that's the thing with public services, there primary purpose is to provide a service to the public and that means the public typically has to fund services that are in low demand or not profitable. I mean I'm all for not supplying or charging way more for waste collection, water, electric, transport, roads and all the stuff people who live out in the sticks use but I'm not sure people who live in the suburbs would agree with me.
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Who pays for the increase in train drivers wages?
Why? What's good about that?
The ticket price increase that happens every year in January (bar COVID years).
Infographic: A short history of rail fare rises
This chart shows the average rail fare price increases in England and Wales from 2010 to 2019.
www.statista.com
Drivers wages simply don't make a large enough proportion of the costs of running a railway to be a significant factor in rail price rises.
That wasn't his question - his question was how would we fund drivers increased pay.
99% sure they'll be some big tax cuts for next year's election, along with above inflation pay increases (of course inflation will far lower by this point) for public sector workers. Question is, will Joe Public fall for it? I ask this because it's not like our economy will grow, it feels virtually impossible under the Cons, somehow they just can't manage it. This budget smells of holding back for the big guns.
Since fare prices are completely regulated, it'd be paid for by reduced profits.
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With money sir...Can i have a gold star now.
