Spring Budget 2023

[muon]

How many hours do you think they likely work?

If the answer is you don't know, I'll move on.

I'm also not gonna teach you how to use google.

 

[Murphy]

How many hours do you think they likely work?

If the answer is you don't know, I'll move on.

I'm also not gonna teach you how to use google.

I don't know that's why I'm asking for evidence of how many hours they work to earn that £50k....How is this not sinking in?

If you also don't know then I'm really not sure why you felt the need to wade in with both feet and embarrass yourself like this.

Also how many times are you going to tell me you're moving on?

 

[muon]

I don't know that's why I'm asking for evidence of how many hours they work to earn that £50k....How is this not sinking in?

If you also don't know then I'm really not sure why you felt the need to wade in with both feet and embarrass yourself like this.

Also how many times are you going to tell me you're moving on?

I'll leave it to readers as to who is looking silly here.

Well done making up a £50k number. Where's your source for that? You are all about proof right?

It's obvious now you don't actually read anything, for example what the RDG offer to ASLEF was this year.

 

[Murphy]

I'll leave it to readers as to who is looking silly here.

Well done making up a £50k number. Where's your source for that? You are all about proof right?

It's obvious now you don't actually read anything, for example what the RDG offer to ASLEF was this year.

Would you like a vote on who's embarrassed themselves or something. There's really no need as it's pretty clear you don't even know what you're arguing about, i mean you must be reading what's being posted as you're replying but as you're clearly confused I'll help you out...

I mean who doesn't want a 60k+ salary for 35 hours work.

If that £60k+ is for a 35hr week I'd be amazed, do you happen to have any evidence of hrs worked vs pay?

Why you think what the RDG's offer to ASLEF was this year is relevant to the above is anyone guess, but i suppose that's what you get from charging in without thinking...nothing new there i guess.

 

[chrcoluk]

Higher interest rates and lower inflation is the default isn't it? It's just the last 10-15 years that have been the anomaly.
0% interest rates aren't normal.

I thought we had low interest rates and low inflation.

I seen an interview from america where a banker was been interviewed, and he was asked if he thought raising rates was a tool to increase poverty, surprisingly he admitted it, essentially the tool traditionally used to bring down inflation was to increase poverty and unemployment, with the best way to do that by raising interest rates.

Trueflation did drop to 16.4% but is now up again to 17%. The rise driven by alcohol, and recreation/culture. Utilities and housing cost inflation remain extremely high.

 

[muon]

Would you like a vote on who's embarrassed themselves or something. There's really no need as it's pretty clear you don't even know what you're arguing about, i mean you must be reading what's being posted as you're replying but as you're clearly confused I'll help you out...

Why you think what the RDG's offer to ASLEF was this year is relevant to the above is anyone guess, but i suppose that's what you get from charging in without thinking...nothing new there i guess.

Time to end this rubbish. Next time spend 15 minutes learning a topic.

The rail industry makes offer to ASLEF to drive up performance for passengers | Rail Delivery Group News

News from Rail Delivery Group

media.raildeliverygroup.com

The offer is contingent on common sense, vital and long overdue changes to working arrangements across the industry. Many of these are already best practice in parts of the railway and are designed to avoid disruptive gaps in services. If accepted, the proposal would mean the base salary for the average driver would increase from £60,000, to almost £65,000 by the end of 2023.

There are many links if your lazy ass bothered, but you'd rather obfuscate and look stupid and pretty much troll at this point.

Who, What, Why: What do Tube drivers do and how much do they earn?

The entire London Underground network is out of action as drivers strike. But what do they do and what do they earn?

www.bbc.co.uk

They typically work a 36-hour week and get 43 days of leave every year, including bank holidays. Six of the days off are compensation for working 36, rather than 35, hours a week throughout the year.

Train companies relying on drivers doing overtime to keep afloat

The Daily Mail has found that drivers with 18 of the 20 largest UK operators are on four-day weeks of no more than 36 hours. Half of them are not even obliged to work on Sundays.

www.dailymail.co.uk

The four-day working week was proposed following the privatisation of British Rail, which began in 1994. It was rolled out by the majority of major operators by the turn of the century and requires drivers to do no more than 36 hours in total over four days.

...and loads more if you bother looking.

If a mod wants to put up a vote with a name change for the loser, more than happy.

 

[Murphy]

Time to end this rubbish. Next time spend 15 minutes learning a topic.

Or you could just brush on on your reading comprehension skills and if you're going to come to someone else's defence try actually posting a relevant link instead of throwing your toys out the pram as usual.

The rail industry makes offer to ASLEF to drive up performance for passengers | Rail Delivery Group News

News from Rail Delivery Group

media.raildeliverygroup.com

The offer is contingent on common sense, vital and long overdue changes to working arrangements across the industry. Many of these are already best practice in parts of the railway and are designed to avoid disruptive gaps in services. If accepted, the proposal would mean the base salary for the average driver would increase from £60,000, to almost £65,000 by the end of 2023.

There are many links if your lazy ass bothered, but you'd rather obfuscate and look stupid and pretty much troll at this point.

Who, What, Why: What do Tube drivers do and how much do they earn?

The entire London Underground network is out of action as drivers strike. But what do they do and what do they earn?

www.bbc.co.uk

You doing that thing again where you're not reading things ain't you! Because your first link says the "the base salary for the average driver would increase from £60,000, to almost £65,000 by the end of 2023" and then your second link says...

A driver's starting salary - which follows about six months of training - is £49,673, according to Transport for London (TfL), which adds that this "doesn't alter depending on length of time in role". They typically work a 36-hour week and get 43 days of leave every year, including bank holidays. Six of the days off are compensation for working 36, rather than 35, hours a week throughout the year.

So what one is it, £49 or £60k?

Train companies relying on drivers doing overtime to keep afloat

The Daily Mail has found that drivers with 18 of the 20 largest UK operators are on four-day weeks of no more than 36 hours. Half of them are not even obliged to work on Sundays.

www.dailymail.co.uk

...and loads more if you bother looking.

If a mod wants to put up a vote with a name change for the loser, more than happy.

ROFL, The Daily Mail? The paper that was so unreliable as a source it got banned from Wikipedia.

Not sure why you think there needs to be a name change for the 'looser', in case it's escaped your notice i can't actually loose here because i didn't claim anything in the first place, i said and i quote...

If that £60k+ is for a 35hr week I'd be amazed, do you happen to have any evidence of hrs worked vs pay?

If you think someone can 'lose' by simply asking for evidence of a claim then i really don't know what to say, maybe this is why you find comprehending the written word so problematic, you should've asked more questions when you were in school.

E: Oh and FYI i looked up what train drivers earn ages ago but i used a more authoritative source, the UK governments own National careers service where it says wages start at £24k and get to £65k for experienced drivers. Rather contradicting what TFL told the BBC.

 

[muon]

You picking the numbers from a 2015 and 2018 links now? I used those links for working hours, not to give outdated salary numbers. It was 49k in 2015, think about what it logically is now.

Wow you are a piece of work.

It's funny you criticise my comprehension skills.

The government website covers trainees. They now qualified drivers? Pretty sure TFL know what they are talking about.

 

[Uther]

Get a room you two. Jeez.

 

[Murphy]

You picking the numbers from a 2015 and 2018 links now? I used those links for working hours, not to give outdated salary numbers.

No, I'm picking numbers from the links you provided.

Wow you are a piece of work.

Love you too.

It's funny you criticise my comprehension skills.

The government website covers trainees. They now qualified drivers? Pretty sure TFL know what they are talking about.

Erm, i didn't say it didn't. I mean i literally said "wages start at £24k and get to £65k for experienced drivers".

e: Oh and if you think an employer would not try to misrepresent something like wage in an industrial dispute I've got a bridge to sell you.

Get a room you two. Jeez.

Not sure muon knows what one of those are.

 

[muon]

No, I'm picking numbers from the links you provided.

Love you too.

Erm, i didn't say it didn't. I mean i literally said "wages start at £24k and get to £65k for experienced drivers".

Not sure muon knows what one of those are.

Use your brain then. If it was £49k in 2015, what do you think it is in 2022.

If you think qualified train drivers have a such a wide salary range, then you have no ability to apply any common sense. People doing the same role are not paid 24k-65k. It is trainees, which again you can quickly google and learn about.

You've also now dismissed like 5 sources all giving you the correct average base salary, even if a couple were from a few years ago.

 

[Murphy]

You aren't getting more info than what has been given.

If the answer is you don't know, I'll move on.

 

[muon]

It's fine. I've enjoyed having everyone see how full of rubbish you are.

I don't get why its in your interest to underplay what train drivers really earn (even saying TFL are wrong) and be incredulous they are working only 36 hours (which is absolutely normal anyway).

 

[Murphy]

Use your brain then. If it was £49k in 2015, what do you think it is in 2022.

In a time that's well know for public pay restraint you mean? I wouldn't know but going from £49k to £65k seems a bit extreme to me, if you're that interested maybe you should look it up.

If you think qualified train drivers have a such a wide salary range, then you have no ability to apply any common sense. People doing the same role are not paid 24k-65k. It is trainees, which again you can quickly google and learn about.

I don't think anything, like i already told you i simply asked for evidence of a claim and since then you've been having a tantrum that's been very entertaining to watch.

You've also now dismissed like 5 sources all giving you the correct average base salary, even if a couple were from a few years ago.

Yea, those reading skills letting you down again, and for that matter your maths skills.

It's fine. I've enjoyed having everyone see how full of rubbish you are.

I don't get why its in your interest to underplay what train drivers really earn (even saying TFL are wrong) and be incredulous they are working only 36 hours (which is absolutely normal anyway).

Says the person who's spent the entire day stamping their feet because someone dared to ask for a claim to be substantiated. Also learn what 'dismissed' and 'wrong' means.

 

[muon]

In a time that's well know for public pay restraint you mean? I wouldn't know but going from £49k to £65k seems a bit extreme to me, if you're that interested maybe you should look it up.

I don't think anything, like i already told you i simply asked for evidence of a claim and since then you've been having a tantrum that's been very entertaining to watch.

Yea, those reading skills letting you down again, and for that matter your maths skills.

Says the person who's spent the entire day stamping their feet because someone dared to ask for a claim to be substantiated. Also learn what 'dismissed' and 'wrong' means.

Why do you deliberately make stuff up? Who said it has gone from 49k to 65k? At most anyone has said is £60k. 20% over 7 years.

Maybe you should look it up.

It will be at least £65k in 2023 because of the union action.

Stamping my feet . I've been watching F1. You are obviously wrong. The best you have offered is a government website which covers salary range for apprentices through to actual qualified drivers. You've even dismissed the BBC link and what TFL said back in 2015.

E: Oh and FYI i looked up what train drivers earn ages ago but i used a more authoritative source, the UK governments own National careers service where it says wages start at £24k and get to £65k for experienced drivers. Rather contradicting what TFL told the BBC.

You managed to find a link suggesting train drivers work loads of hours yet?

 

[200sols]

Don't go down the Murphy hole

 

[adidan]

What's this about changes to inheritance tax?

I wasn't sure there were any but apparently so.

Now those with enough cash can shovel it anyway into the newly changed pension schemes and no longer have to pay a shed load of inheritance tax on it.

Great for that small percentage of people, not so great for the masses.

 

[platinum87]

Lol what is the argument here?

Train drivers are overpaid for the job because they have a very strong union, simple as that.

If you dont like your job, resign, simple as that.

Its the nurses and doctors who have it bad and they cant strike because it will directly kill people, nor can they stomach it even.

 

[ci_newman]

I think you two have derailed the thread enough now. Lets bring it back on topic about the budget

 

[200sols]

Its the nurses and doctors who have it bad and they cant strike because it will directly kill people, nor can they stomach it even.

You must have missed the nurses and doctors striking recently then. It's the police that can't strike.