US: Star Trek: Discovery
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Indeed. Vuacom/CBS had it removed yesterday, after they paid off the Netflix contract. Uk won't get series 4 till they launch Paramount+ in 2022.
https://deadline.com/2021/11/star-trek-discovery-netflix-deal-paramount-viacomcbs-1234875466/
I thought it was a good start to the season, but.........
Why is there always a universe ending issue to solve?
Pacing - lots of tension/build up/action, then we cut to "feeling" scenes on Kaminar or a ceremony on Kwejian - slowed things right down and loses momentum.
Not sure, but i think i prefer the single episode or two parter formula from the previous Star Treks.
Why is there always a universe ending issue to solve?
Pacing - lots of tension/build up/action, then we cut to "feeling" scenes on Kaminar or a ceremony on Kwejian - slowed things right down and loses momentum.
Not sure, but i think i prefer the single episode or two parter formula from the previous Star Treks.
Soldato
Something else has bugged me since watching the episode.
Season 3 ended with Stamets angry at Burnham for her actions during the last episodes. Yet there was nothing in this episode to suggest that he still is. Did that get resolved off-screen? Did the writers just forget about it, like they forgot about the world-ending bomb from the end of season 1?
HELLOOOO, EARTH TO STD WRITERS, WHAT'S GOING ON HERE????
Season 3 ended with Stamets angry at Burnham for her actions during the last episodes. Yet there was nothing in this episode to suggest that he still is. Did that get resolved off-screen? Did the writers just forget about it, like they forgot about the world-ending bomb from the end of season 1?
HELLOOOO, EARTH TO STD WRITERS, WHAT'S GOING ON HERE????
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.space.com/amp/star-trek-discovery-season-4-premiere-review
Big spoiler in the link, you are warned.
It's a turd we are not surprised
Big spoiler in the link, you are warned.
It's a turd we are not surprised
It's definitely not aimed at a younger audience. Swearing and violence. Prodigy is the only one aimed at kids.
I didn't say kids.
isn't the average star trek fan supposed to be between the ages of 30-50
the movies probably created a younger fanbase of people 20-30 who likely never watched the old star trek series and want something totally different to the majority of us on here.
weirdly if you search star trek movies on google only 1979 - 2002 movies show up.
it's almost like the new ones never existed or aren't considered part of star trek
anyway it's more like marvel/disney wanna be series imo following the "formula"
What a tragic opening episode.
Like, normally I can get past the woeful acting, the OTT touchey feely virtue signalling BS, the ridiculous lens flare everywhere and just turn my brain off and enjoy some trek.
But this, was a new low for the show. The pacing was wrong, the story was all over the place, the events were pointless, the "science" was cringe worthy, the "solutions" to a crisis were convoluted and pointless, plot armor ridden, the speeches were uninspired. The "personal" crisis of yet another crew member adding into the mix of the 6 already.
God I hope it get cancelled so we can focus on the Georgiou stuff.
Like, normally I can get past the woeful acting, the OTT touchey feely virtue signalling BS, the ridiculous lens flare everywhere and just turn my brain off and enjoy some trek.
But this, was a new low for the show. The pacing was wrong, the story was all over the place, the events were pointless, the "science" was cringe worthy, the "solutions" to a crisis were convoluted and pointless, plot armor ridden, the speeches were uninspired. The "personal" crisis of yet another crew member adding into the mix of the 6 already.
God I hope it get cancelled so we can focus on the Georgiou stuff.
Soldato
I am really surprised that they havnt gotten a load of flack for them clapping at the first class of the new federation ceremony. 
Soldato
It’s got worse?? Not the easiest task!
critics love it
the audience doesn't appear too from my googling.
IMD and Google ratings appear to be boosted by "staff" or something.
it gets poop audience scores on rotten tomatoes and any forum I'm on seems to think it's average at best.
They either don't care what the audience thinks as long as people watch it anyway or they listen to critics and other fanboys only
the audience doesn't appear too from my googling.
IMD and Google ratings appear to be boosted by "staff" or something.
it gets poop audience scores on rotten tomatoes and any forum I'm on seems to think it's average at best.
They either don't care what the audience thinks as long as people watch it anyway or they listen to critics and other fanboys only
Soldato
4x02 - Anomaly
1) Yes indeedy, my GP has stuck me on medication for anxiety and depression. So what better way to celebrate than with this ****-show? A word on the episode title - yes, it's a re-use. There was an episode of ENT called "Anomaly", the second episode of season 3.
2) "Previously on..."
3) Gotta admit, David Ajala did a good job there. Played his part at exactly the right note.
4) Book replaying the moment.
5) Scene takes a noticeable dive in quality as Burnham arrives.
6) "I'm here". Possibly the two scariest words in the English language when coming from her
7) Thousand yard stare from Book.
8) A guest has arrived. Presumably Saru.
9) "I need you to go". Tee hee!
10) Take the hint love. His homeworld and family just got Negative Space Wedgie'd, he doesn't need your spectacular talent for doing the wrong thing in the wrong way.
11) Saru has indeed arrived.
12) And in uniform.
13) Pausing to have a laughing fit here. Burnham says Book is 'obsessing over every detail' of the incident like it's a bad thing. Remind me, which character was it who was obsessed about the Burn last season to the point where they couldn't shut up about it long enough to build trust with Vance? And then went rogue, forcing Saru to drop them as XO?
14) I see SMG is still going with that whisper
15) Saru: "Each of us must sit with pain in our own way". Will Burnham heed the lesson?
16) Burnham has been replaying the last mission as well. Saru with the keen observation that she's as obsessed as Book.
17) And for once, Burnham taking the 'hit' with some level of grace. Broken clocks and all that.
18) Saru now a council member in absentia for the Kelpians.
19) And was offered the centre seat on the USS Sojourner...but turned it down. To be Burnham's XO. Glutton for punishment.
20) Exposition.
21) And some mildly shonky science.
22) Book arriving just as the simulation gets to the destruction of Kwejian. Predictably.
23) Exposition continues.
24) More data required. President of Ni'Var offering their help.
25) Trek as social commentary, again.
26) The Discoball is off dilithium freighter duty for the foreseeable then.
27) Vague approximation of cute dialogue between Tilly and Saru. Wonder if she's been told that he's XO now? Or if the writers even remember that she was made XO last year?
28) Burnham briefing the crew.
29) And jump.
30) Technobabble.
31) The anomaly.
32) Music swells, and...*thud*. Into the credits and intro theme. Remember when Trek shows did a teaser before the credits rather than pretty much a whole act of the screenplay? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
33) Back-and-forth on the bridge. Stamets beaming in - you wonder if personal transporters might make people lazy in this future
34) Science-y words.
35) They need to get closer.
36) Book offering his ship.
37) And the show walks into itself with an audible clang, so I'm pausing. Burnham wants Detmer and Stamets to take the ship, Book wants to fly it himself and makes the rather decent point that Detmer doesn't know how to morph the ship to compensate for the gravity weirdness. Burnham is now going to wang on about how he's emotionally compromised and therefore unfit to take on the mission, because irony is truly dead.
38) Yep.
39) Book making the point that he's not Starfleet - Burnham can't order him not to go. She can throw him in the brig, she can shoot him down if he leaves, but she cannot actually control the deal.
40) That scene needed the button of him walking out. Instead, we get the neck-snapping contrast of a scene with Gray.
41) Who is indeed getting a body, somehow.
42) Culber doing a spot of counselling.
43) A link to STP
44) Exposition.
45) I reckon fandumb is going to hate this scene.
46) Burnham's in a holo. Saru arriving for a pep talk.
47) Zora is now fully integrated as the ship's computer.
48) STOP WHISPERING YOU USELESS BINT.
49) Mildly funny joke from Stamets. It does indeed seem like he and Burnham repaired their relationship off-screen in the gap between seasons 3 and 4.
50) Sending a holo-Stamets along with Book. Because future tech!
51) Nice scene between Stamets and Culber.
52) Jesus this episode jumps around again.
53) Grudge!
54) Book, predictably, not in a good way. Stamets, predictably, not really able to do much about that.
55) And back to the Discoball bridge.
56) VFX crew getting to show off again.
57) Presumably the tether is a future future tractor beam.
58) Into the anomaly they go.
59) Aaaaaaand things turn to worms on the bridge.
60) Tilly with a keen grasp of the obvious.
61) Explosions! Sparks! ShakyCam!
62) Boredom.
63) Did we really need a 'Culber counsels someone' bit right here? I mean, I'm all for more Wilson Cruz on-screen. But...now?
64) Amusing moment from Tilly with the whole 'good news, bad news' bit.
65) Hitting all the tropes hard this week.
66) Book still wigging out.
67) A slightly more appropriate 'Culber counsels someone' moment.
68) Yes, perfect time to take 15 whole seconds to sit down and deliver the order there Burnham
69) Not today thank-you.
70) Tether cut, ship pulling back. And because the scene needed a button but the director is a hack, we're treated to a Determined Stare from Burnham. 'Woo'.
71) Burnham doing the Captain Thing might have more impact if she was an actual Trek Captain, and not some kind of barely sentient whisper.
72) Episode still trying to wring some excitement out of the scenes on Book's ship.
73) Stamets picking up the counselling ball from his husband and running with it.
74) Gosh, how surprising and entirely unforeseen! Stamets couldn't transfer the sensor data, it's all on Book's ship so they really have to find a way to fly back now.
75) Tilly and Adira with something.
76) Bryce getting some lines this week. A welcome development for the bridge bunnies.
77) The script didn't have a 'Burnham does something awesomely heroic' moment so it's shoehorned in here, after a fashion.
78) Book missed the mark. Because the episode needed padding out.
79) Stamets still trying to gee Book up.
80) Who can't get out of his own head.
81) Saru advising Burnham to drop the captain bit with Book for this one.
82) Genuinely horrifying dialogue ensues.
83) Stalling out the episode while it's at it.
84) Bored. Bored. Bored.
85) Book is saved. More importantly, in my opinion, so is Grudge.
86) Bridge bunnies congratulate each other.
87) Book's ship is going to need a lick of paint.
88) Cute moment between Book and Stamets.
89) Culber counsels someone, again.
90) Tilly's got PTSD.
91) Gray counsels Adira, again.
92) Pretty sure half of this crew has PTSD at this point, tbh.
93) Talking of PTSD, here's Book and Burnham.
94) Wild contrast in acting ability between these two.
95) Back to the bridge. Saru contemplating.
96) Exposition from Tilly.
97) The anomaly has changed direction (dun dun DUN).
98) Well, ****.
99) VFX-heavy ending.
2) "Previously on..."
3) Gotta admit, David Ajala did a good job there. Played his part at exactly the right note.
4) Book replaying the moment.
5) Scene takes a noticeable dive in quality as Burnham arrives.
6) "I'm here". Possibly the two scariest words in the English language when coming from her
7) Thousand yard stare from Book.
8) A guest has arrived. Presumably Saru.
9) "I need you to go". Tee hee!
10) Take the hint love. His homeworld and family just got Negative Space Wedgie'd, he doesn't need your spectacular talent for doing the wrong thing in the wrong way.
11) Saru has indeed arrived.
12) And in uniform.
13) Pausing to have a laughing fit here. Burnham says Book is 'obsessing over every detail' of the incident like it's a bad thing. Remind me, which character was it who was obsessed about the Burn last season to the point where they couldn't shut up about it long enough to build trust with Vance? And then went rogue, forcing Saru to drop them as XO?
14) I see SMG is still going with that whisper
15) Saru: "Each of us must sit with pain in our own way". Will Burnham heed the lesson?
16) Burnham has been replaying the last mission as well. Saru with the keen observation that she's as obsessed as Book.
17) And for once, Burnham taking the 'hit' with some level of grace. Broken clocks and all that.
18) Saru now a council member in absentia for the Kelpians.
19) And was offered the centre seat on the USS Sojourner...but turned it down. To be Burnham's XO. Glutton for punishment.
20) Exposition.
21) And some mildly shonky science.
22) Book arriving just as the simulation gets to the destruction of Kwejian. Predictably.
23) Exposition continues.
24) More data required. President of Ni'Var offering their help.
25) Trek as social commentary, again.
26) The Discoball is off dilithium freighter duty for the foreseeable then.
27) Vague approximation of cute dialogue between Tilly and Saru. Wonder if she's been told that he's XO now? Or if the writers even remember that she was made XO last year?
28) Burnham briefing the crew.
29) And jump.
30) Technobabble.
31) The anomaly.
32) Music swells, and...*thud*. Into the credits and intro theme. Remember when Trek shows did a teaser before the credits rather than pretty much a whole act of the screenplay? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
33) Back-and-forth on the bridge. Stamets beaming in - you wonder if personal transporters might make people lazy in this future
34) Science-y words.
35) They need to get closer.
36) Book offering his ship.
37) And the show walks into itself with an audible clang, so I'm pausing. Burnham wants Detmer and Stamets to take the ship, Book wants to fly it himself and makes the rather decent point that Detmer doesn't know how to morph the ship to compensate for the gravity weirdness. Burnham is now going to wang on about how he's emotionally compromised and therefore unfit to take on the mission, because irony is truly dead.
38) Yep.
39) Book making the point that he's not Starfleet - Burnham can't order him not to go. She can throw him in the brig, she can shoot him down if he leaves, but she cannot actually control the deal.
40) That scene needed the button of him walking out. Instead, we get the neck-snapping contrast of a scene with Gray.
41) Who is indeed getting a body, somehow.
42) Culber doing a spot of counselling.
43) A link to STP
44) Exposition.
45) I reckon fandumb is going to hate this scene.
46) Burnham's in a holo. Saru arriving for a pep talk.
47) Zora is now fully integrated as the ship's computer.
48) STOP WHISPERING YOU USELESS BINT.
49) Mildly funny joke from Stamets. It does indeed seem like he and Burnham repaired their relationship off-screen in the gap between seasons 3 and 4.
50) Sending a holo-Stamets along with Book. Because future tech!
51) Nice scene between Stamets and Culber.
52) Jesus this episode jumps around again.
53) Grudge!
54) Book, predictably, not in a good way. Stamets, predictably, not really able to do much about that.
55) And back to the Discoball bridge.
56) VFX crew getting to show off again.
57) Presumably the tether is a future future tractor beam.
58) Into the anomaly they go.
59) Aaaaaaand things turn to worms on the bridge.
60) Tilly with a keen grasp of the obvious.
61) Explosions! Sparks! ShakyCam!
62) Boredom.
63) Did we really need a 'Culber counsels someone' bit right here? I mean, I'm all for more Wilson Cruz on-screen. But...now?
64) Amusing moment from Tilly with the whole 'good news, bad news' bit.
65) Hitting all the tropes hard this week.
66) Book still wigging out.
67) A slightly more appropriate 'Culber counsels someone' moment.
68) Yes, perfect time to take 15 whole seconds to sit down and deliver the order there Burnham
69) Not today thank-you.
70) Tether cut, ship pulling back. And because the scene needed a button but the director is a hack, we're treated to a Determined Stare from Burnham. 'Woo'.
71) Burnham doing the Captain Thing might have more impact if she was an actual Trek Captain, and not some kind of barely sentient whisper.
72) Episode still trying to wring some excitement out of the scenes on Book's ship.
73) Stamets picking up the counselling ball from his husband and running with it.
74) Gosh, how surprising and entirely unforeseen! Stamets couldn't transfer the sensor data, it's all on Book's ship so they really have to find a way to fly back now.
75) Tilly and Adira with something.
76) Bryce getting some lines this week. A welcome development for the bridge bunnies.
77) The script didn't have a 'Burnham does something awesomely heroic' moment so it's shoehorned in here, after a fashion.
78) Book missed the mark. Because the episode needed padding out.
79) Stamets still trying to gee Book up.
80) Who can't get out of his own head.
81) Saru advising Burnham to drop the captain bit with Book for this one.
82) Genuinely horrifying dialogue ensues.
83) Stalling out the episode while it's at it.
84) Bored. Bored. Bored.
85) Book is saved. More importantly, in my opinion, so is Grudge.
86) Bridge bunnies congratulate each other.
87) Book's ship is going to need a lick of paint.
88) Cute moment between Book and Stamets.
89) Culber counsels someone, again.
90) Tilly's got PTSD.
91) Gray counsels Adira, again.
92) Pretty sure half of this crew has PTSD at this point, tbh.
93) Talking of PTSD, here's Book and Burnham.
94) Wild contrast in acting ability between these two.
95) Back to the bridge. Saru contemplating.
96) Exposition from Tilly.
97) The anomaly has changed direction (dun dun DUN).
98) Well, ****.
99) VFX-heavy ending.
Meh.
Oh sure, in isolation some bits of this episode sort-of work. Doug Jones as Saru - excellent. David Ajala - great as a grieving, tormented Book. Neat little character moments for most of the rest of the cast. Some top notch VFX.
It just isn't very exciting. I don't care about any of it, about the world-ending anomaly, about the threat to the galaxy. The stakes are just so gargantuan that there's no room for an actual story. Just these little vignettes and set pieces, strewn against a background of 'the threat for the season'. Does Trek really need this? I can't help but feel that the five months story gap between seasons, with the Federation reaching out to former members and rebuilding, would have been the more interesting thing to watch.
So, yeah. Once more we have an STD episode that 'is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing'. Some admittedly very pretty VFX shots held together loosely with dialogue of extremely variable quality delivered by actors also of variable quality.
Not good.
Oh sure, in isolation some bits of this episode sort-of work. Doug Jones as Saru - excellent. David Ajala - great as a grieving, tormented Book. Neat little character moments for most of the rest of the cast. Some top notch VFX.
It just isn't very exciting. I don't care about any of it, about the world-ending anomaly, about the threat to the galaxy. The stakes are just so gargantuan that there's no room for an actual story. Just these little vignettes and set pieces, strewn against a background of 'the threat for the season'. Does Trek really need this? I can't help but feel that the five months story gap between seasons, with the Federation reaching out to former members and rebuilding, would have been the more interesting thing to watch.
So, yeah. Once more we have an STD episode that 'is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing'. Some admittedly very pretty VFX shots held together loosely with dialogue of extremely variable quality delivered by actors also of variable quality.
Not good.
2nd ep so utter terrible.
I have no emotional attachment to any of the characters and honestly wouldn't mind if the romulans came along blew the ship up and then we carried on from their point of view.
the show needs a reset and new cast, utter garbage.
whys half the cast gay? I cringe at every interaction between the crew it's utter dreadful crap.
seems to be living on stereotypes of gays/bis/lesbians from the 90s.
all stupid hair cuts, stupid faces.
wheres the members of the crew you think are cool? people you would want to hang out with in real life...
neelix was a god send compared to this...
no one even seems normal in the show really... I don't mean normal as in straight just normal people..... believable characters.
why do they even need relationships? wouldn't it be against federation protocol or something
it's not even believable that these people would even get the jobs they have really... tilly or whatever shes called passed some fitness test to join starfleet? why would they even make uniforms that big.
would she even fit in an access tube
I have no emotional attachment to any of the characters and honestly wouldn't mind if the romulans came along blew the ship up and then we carried on from their point of view.
the show needs a reset and new cast, utter garbage.
whys half the cast gay? I cringe at every interaction between the crew it's utter dreadful crap.
seems to be living on stereotypes of gays/bis/lesbians from the 90s.
all stupid hair cuts, stupid faces.
wheres the members of the crew you think are cool? people you would want to hang out with in real life...
neelix was a god send compared to this...
no one even seems normal in the show really... I don't mean normal as in straight just normal people..... believable characters.
why do they even need relationships? wouldn't it be against federation protocol or something
it's not even believable that these people would even get the jobs they have really... tilly or whatever shes called passed some fitness test to join starfleet? why would they even make uniforms that big.
would she even fit in an access tube
Soldato
This speaks volumes. You could have just written that.