Star Trek: Picard

That would be a way of doing the plot that is consistent with "The Measure of a Man" in my opinion. But is totally a fair challenge.

Or perhaps they were programmed by the Tal Shiar/Federation alliance to go postal ? I guess that works too if they were never sentient to begin with and the Tal Shiar's paranoia of synthetic people being the devil led them to create a false flag in order to get these devil machines banned/destroyed ?

Hopefully the conclusion ties in with it logically and doesn't go Game of Thrones
 
I got a funny feeling maddox used borg tech from that vagizal women to try make a data type or new breed and why the blonde women killed him as she learned the truth from that starfleet women and she didnt know she was involved till then. I bet the blonde got a order to find something for em too or to destroy something which will come up later.

Also when is data coming back in i hope it wasn't just the first episode as a dream.
 
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Also when is data coming back in i hope it wasn't just the first episode as a dream.

I'm not sure that I'd be too into the idea of Data coming back outside of Picard's dreams. I think it would cheapen his sacrifice at the end of "Nemesis" some.

And now, the rebuttal before it comes in ;)

"But JRS, what about Spock in Star Trek III?"

Yeah. But there were costs involved across the board with that one. In "Wrath Of Khan" the Enterprise is saved and Kirk reconnects with his son, but loses Spock. In "Search For Spock" he gets his friend back, but his son is killed, the Enterprise is Blowed Up Good™ and he and his shipmates are stuck on Vulcan in exile.

It can't be just as simple as waving a wand over B4 and having Data's katra...sorry, positronic matrix spring back into life. It's going to have to have more weight than that, and while the writing of Star Trek: Picard has so far been better than that of STD by several orders of magnitude the jury is still out on whether or not anyone at the studio could do justice to that plot point...

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Side note - the emotional weight of the Spock death and resurrection in ST II and III is part of why I despise the JJTrek "Into Darkness" glib, neat-and-tidy riff on the idea so much. Actually, it's a part of why I despise that entire movie so much. If they'd had the balls to leave Kirk dead until the third film then at least that would have been something. But to resolve it as cheaply as they did...it was the flake and raspberry sauce on a turd-flavoured ice cream IMO :rolleyes:
 
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Yeha, but Nemesis was pish so who cares? :p

It was. But we kind-of have to care now, since the events of it (at least, Data's death in it) are now plot-relevant. Which is unfortunate, as I'd very much like to forget that it was ever made :)
 
I'm starting to go off this. It started slow, the 3rd and 4th episodes were good
If you thought this and then thought this:
but the 5th and 6th are rubbish (Slow again)
I'm glad I stopped after ep4!

Why Patrick Stewart came back for this who knows, he must need the money badly.. Both Discovery and Picard are dead shows, I doubt very much Discovery will get a season 4, and Picard a season 2 because they both suck so badly. Kurtzman is a hack, he's not creative at all, he steals ideas from everyone else, mixes them up and jobs a good 'un.. He, single handedly, has destroyed Star Trek, just like Chibnall has done with Dr Who, and cost CBS $10's, if not $100's, of millions - what fool hired him to run these shows?

Both Picard and Discovery should be wiped from canon, because they did suck a bad job, and go on hiatus. At some point in the future interest in the show may rise again, enough to warrant a new show - but keep out the modern day political rubbish, and stop with the man hating agenda that is costing both Holywood billions, and storytelling in general.
 
I think it is fine in a typical Sci fi TV show fashion where sure, not every episode is strong, but much prefer watching it, to some reality pap or house rebuild program my missus would rather put on :D
 
Episode 7 = sappy with a weird mix of good writing in some parts and terrible in others

Trailer for Episode 8 = CGI budget, engage!
Haha like your review! So the next episode is the equivalent of The Battle of The *******, Battle of Blackwater and The Battle of Castle Black :D?
 
Episode 5 had promise, because it introduced 7 of 9 (Who I think looks hotter now than before in VYGR) but it was complete *****. I know Patrick likes to indulge in theatrics but it was them just dressing up and prancing about whilst some alien just sniffed Rios and told him what he had for breakfast. Brilliant.

Episode 6 was more just titting about in the Cube and Picard's bodyguard is annoying me with his "Choose to live, friend" - Shutup, someone just phaser him in the face.

It feels like they're trying to take their time to reach a big climax that will never happen.

And I consider myself a huge fan of all things ST.
 
Episode 7 - "Nepenthe"

1) Fine, show a recap, see if I care.
2) Ah. Okinawa three weeks ago. Filling in some of the Jurati mystery perhaps?
3) A bold choice by the makeup department, putting those ears on Oh. Even by Vulcan standards those are some majestic ears :p
4) So either that was a very persuasive mind-meld, and Jurati is doing everything that she's doing of her own will...or she's a Manchurian Candidate.
5) Back to the 'present', and very much in medias res.
6) Well, at least they're not panic-oh :D
7) Rios and Raffi pausing there to be incredulous at Jurati.
8) I see Rizzo is going for the old standard interrogation method. Point a gun at someone and ask a question. Because that always works.
9) And she's still a cardboard cut-out villain.
10) Narek on the move.
11) To be frank love, if your grand plans could be upset solely by Picard and Hugh then it doesn't say much for the vaunted Romulan reputation for cunning and intelligence.
12) Raffi at least vaguely genre-savvy.
13) Jurati with the $64,000 question there - what, indeed, about Elnor. Whichever way 4) has gone, she's at least got some kind of conscience.
14) Elnor still going with 'noble'.
15) Another ten minute episode intro then. Also another episode that's longer than the early ones - praise be to $DEITY.
16) Excuse me while the theme tune sends me into a light coma.
17) Would have been a nice touch if they'd put Gene's credit up when the theme segues to the Goldsmith tune.
18) Nepenthe remarkably Earth-like, even by Class M standards.
19) Space bunny! With a unicorn-esque forehead horn so that you know it's a space bunny! Man, I hope the showrunners don't get letters from PETA-types...
20) Sikarian spatial trajector beams Picard and Soji in (wonder what the power requirements for that distance are???). Picard is of course a veteran of wibbly-wobbly phenomena in space so is barely ruffled. Soji is of course very much not a veteran of wibbly-wobbly phenomena in space so falls over. About caps her perfect day!
21) These camera tricks are getting a bit over-used in TV. That's definitely a kid with the bow and arrow :p
22) Called it :p
23) Hooray for continuity! Picard still has an artificial heart. Apparently made out of the same stuff as the casing on a tricorder.
24) And Picard knows who the kid is. Audience, meet Kestra. And pausing for another 'hooray for continuity' moment - Deanna Troi had an older sister called Kestra, who drowned shortly after Deanna was born. See TNG's "Dark Page" and DS9's "The Muse" for the backstory there.
25) Soji deep in depression. Been a rough few hours for her.
26) Yeah...Picard may have wanted to keep that whole "your daddy was an android" deal for a slightly later time. Maybe after fixing Soji's cuts and getting her some shoes...
27) And he gets to pile more misery on her now. Everything was fake. But Dahj was real.
28) Soji retreating into non-belief. Definitely a plausible reaction.
29) Deanna! :)
30) Who at least is another person in the galaxy who is actually happy to see Picard.
31) And, like Raffi earlier, is genre-savvy. She knows Picard wouldn't be there unless there was trouble.
32) Commander Deanna Troi then. Stayed a commander from 2370 right up to her maybe retirement, maybe dropping into the Starfleet reserves.
33) Trailer moment!
34) William T. Riker not just genre-savvy, but crazy prepared. Shields and the works.
35) Troi can't read Soji empathically, reinforces that she's synthetic.
36) You had a plan, did you Picard? Really? While I'm a firm believer in the idea that no plan ever survives the battlefield, I can't help but think that you actually didn't have much of a plan at all :p
37) Which he's copping to now, at least.
38) The space bunnies are called bunnicorns. Please excuse me a moment while I laugh hard enough to dislodge my spleen from its mountings :D
39) The band is back together, and the soundtrack heads full Goldsmith. Just going to bask in this for a minute...
40) Kestra asking all the questions that a kid would ask having been told that someone is Data's daughter.
41) She's right though, it is indeed very weird to make an android with mucus and saliva.
42) Story going into a full-on love letter to Data right here.
43) In 24 hours Soji has gone from having a whole lot of questions and no answers, to having even more questions. And the few answers that she's got make minimal sense to her.
44) Will and Deanna lost their son Thaddeus then. And kept his room as a shrine. Again, a more-than believable reaction, as is Deanna's worry about anything happening to Kestra.
45) Back to the La Sirena, where Rios and Raffi have figured out Narek's amazing plan to...follow them. Though presumably he's still able to follow Jurati from the tracking lozenge that Commodore Oh gave her.
46) And Rios' equally amazing plan is to emulate Harrier tactics - come to a halt, let the enemy overshoot you, they're no longer following. Which, to be fair, might stand a decent chance of working without the aforementioned tracking lozenge.
47) Jurati still having a nervous breakdown.
48) Raffi poking around for the truth.
49) Precision f-strike from Jurati there. Which at least feels slightly less gratuitous than some of them have been.
50) Oh, please tell me Raffi isn't about to give Jurati a hit of the space weed vape pen. The poor lass is paranoid enough already :p
51) Feels a little weird seeing Riker not address Picard as 'Captain'.
52) Thad's death just as raw for Will as it is Deanna.
53) Cute moment.
54) Will laying out what he's guessed.
55) I wondered when someone was going to bring up the head tilt.
56) Oh, that's good. Pausing to hear that one again. "Now I understand why you wanted to keep it a secret. Classic...Picard...arrogance. You get to make the decisions about who gets to take the chances and who doesn't and who's in the loop and who's out of the loop and naturally, it always ends up with you. And that's fine on the bridge of your starship, Captain, but now you're dealing with a teenager, more or less. That can be an extremely humbling experience. Frankly, I'm not sure you're up to it." Strong words, with the sting taken out of them by those twinkling Riker eyes and the bearded grin.
57) A toast, to stupidly doing the right thing for the right reasons :p
58) Deanna, meanwhile, going about getting information a different way. With fresh tomatoes.
59) Exposition.
60) Oof. So, a cure for Thad would have involved synth research. Which was banned by the time he was ill.
61) Will's right, Jean-Luc. You definitely should have gone with 'dinner is served' there rather than sarcasm!
62) Truth bombs from Deanna.
63) "Pretend that our dinner table is the ready room of the Enterprise." I am hard as a rock :D
64) Meanwhile, on the Borg cube...
65) Rizzo apparently finally got a step ahead of someone. I guess a broken clock is correct a couple of times in a day.
66) And there we have the answer to how Elnor survived his last encounter with disruptor-wielding Romulans - the kid has Batman-like reflexes.
67) Oh, come on Elnor. Why put the sword away? Just stab her in the boobs and walk off :p
68) Hugh taking a throwing dagger to the neck is really going to put a dampener on his weekend.
69) :)
70) Good thing for Rizzo that transporters have sped up a touch over the years.
71) Hugh getting in some dying words of encouragement for Elnor.
72) Raffi still working on unwinding Jurati.
73) Narek's caught back up to the La Sirena.
74) Puking seems to be a fairly typical nervous reaction for Jurati.
75) Pizza time with the Rikers.
76) Exposition.
77) "But now...I'm alive, and I have a mission. Which means there's not a hell of a chance that you or anyone else can stop me." Jean-Luc Picard, ladies and gentlemen.
78) I gotta be honest, if I'd been Maddox and had created synthetic life after a ban on doing so had been enacted, I'm not sure I'd put a memory in that led anyone back to where they were created...
79) In a crazy, upside-down universe, we can still rely on one thing - a teen with an internet-connected messaging device can find out anything for you.
80) Back aboard the La Sirena, and Rios raising the possibility with Jurati that Raffi is the one being tracked.
81) And Jurati admits that it's her. Unclear yet if Rios actually took that in.
82) Looks like she's about ready to end it all.
83) "What is the nature of your-oh, bloody hell!" Gotta love EMHs!
84) Looks like Narek has lost his tracking lock.
85) "Does it involve shooting me out of an airlock?" We-e-e-ell...:p
86) Jurati now in a coma. Rios greeting the news with a sprint to the sickbay.
87) Elnor sneaking around the Borg cube, and doing a drop-and-roll right out of the Geordi LaForge School Of Unnecessary Drop-and-Rolls™.
88) Oh, very good. He's called for backup. Fenris Ranger backup. Because, as we know, nothing enrages Seven of Nine quite like mistreatment of former Borg.
89) "So, what are they like? This new crew of yours?" "Well, I would have to say they are decidedly motley." That's a polite way of putting it Jean-Luc.
90) "They...they seem to be carrying more baggage than all of you ever did. But then, I'm not the one to talk." Self-awareness from Picard there :)
91) More cuteness between former captain and first officer.
92) Kestra drawing Soji while she sleeps. Not creepy at all, kid...o.0
93) Picard saying goodbye to the Rikers. Adorable.
94) Kestra giving Soji the broken compass and telling her to pretend that it works. More adorable.
95) Soundtrack heads back to Alexander Courage territory. All the feels.
96) "Next time..." Seven's back. The VFX team work a lot of overtime. Jurati wakes up and talks a bunch about hell. Picard gets a determined look on his face.

That was a lot.

First, the bad. Narissa Rizzo is still a badly-written character who solely exists to Be Evil™. Now Hugh is dead, who I was kinda hoping would actually live through all this so we'd get more Jonathan Del Arco. And the resolution to the whole 'getting the La Sirena to Nepenthe without Narek as shadow' comes a bit out of nowhere - Jurati injects herself with a compound that she gets from the sickbay replicator, which sends her into a seizure and then coma...and this stops the tracking lozenge that she ate three weeks previously from working?

*shrug*

Then the story just skips ahead to a day or so later on Nepenthe, the La Sirena is in comms range of the planet now, and presumably Narek is no longer following. If that's a complete resolution to the problem, then it feels like there's about ten minutes of story missing. Hopefully that whole deal gets an explanation.

Now, the better...

Patrick Stewart, Jonathan Frakes and Marina Sirtis. Together again. I'm glad now that the show made us wait until seven episodes in before bringing back the Rikers. Stewart clearly had fun with this episode, getting to act alongside old friends again. Frakes and Sirtis slip back into their old roles and, to a degree, the years just fall away. The way Riker says "shields up!", the way Troi gently probes for info as a counsellor...these two are very much still the same people, ready to back up their captain in a moment, also anticipating what he needs to get the job done. But like everyone else in this universe, they're carrying scars - this particular scar being the loss of their son, a loss that could have been prevented without the short-sighted ban on synths and research into them. Everything that's lousy in the galaxy c.2399 appears to track back to two events: the Hobus supernova; and the synth attack on Mars.

Isa Briones' Soji spends much of the episode in full on non-believer mood, as you'd expect - learning that all her memories of childhood were fabricated, learning that Narek was just leading her on to find out where she was created before trying to kill her, now there's this bald English guy with a French name who says he's trying to help. Not quite the recipe for unconditional trust. Kestra (played by Lulu Wilson, who I guess is mainly known for supernatural horror movies at this point) tries to bring her out from behind the walls that she's trying to put up by doing the whole 'child asking innocent questions' routine, and Picard (after separate pep talks from Will and then Deanna) gets her to finally trust them long enough to open up a bit over dinner.

Alison Pill is impressive once again this week as Jurati. We finally get some more info on what it was that happened in her meeting with Commodore Oh, who I guess we can now say for certain is a Vulcan whose goals align with the Zhat Vash rather than a Romulan who's a member of the Zhat Vash given that she mind-melded with Jurati (pretty sure we've never seen Romulans who can do that, even with their common ancestry with Vulcans). Pill spends the entire episode depicting Jurati as deeply conflicted, wishing that she didn't know what she'd learned from Oh, wishing she'd never gone out into space, soul-sick about having killed Maddox. And eventually Jurati gets to the point where she hits "**** it" and ingests a neurotoxin of some kind - either because she knew that it would counteract the tracking agent and didn't care that it would do a number on her, or because she just wanted to die in a fairly painful way in order to atone for what she'd done. I'll just bet that there's a Picard Speech™ waiting for her when she wakes up. Rios and Raffi don't get to do as much this time out, with most of their attention being paid to losing Narek and figuring out how to calm Jurati down (as they're unaware at this stage exactly what's eating at her). But Santiago Cabrera does get in one of my favourite lines of the episode in his EMH guise ("What is the nature of your-oh, bloody hell!"). Hopefully when Jurati did whatever she did to him to cover her tracks in episode 5 she didn't impair his medical functions too badly :p Evan Evagora's stunt double(s) get a work-out, with the fight sequences going full 'Nolan Batman'. Elnor also gets a couple of touching moments with Hugh - first comforting him over the murders of the xBs, then comforting him as he dies from the knife wound inflicted by Rizzo. The finding of the Fenris Ranger recall button is contrived as all hell, but meh - whatever gets Seven back into the story.

Pacing continues to be helped by the episode length increase, and by the story having finally gotten enough momentum built up that cutting to the action elsewhere doesn't bring everything to a grinding halt. The VFX team are still on point. And the music crew...a couple of times there I was genuinely welling up a bit, especially at the end when Picard and Soji beam up to the La Sirena - the camera stays on Riker and Troi, the Alexander Courage fanfare from TOS swells, camera moves up to the sky. Beautiful. Makes me wish the intro theme was a bit more memorable.

Three episodes left. Questions still to answer, puzzles still to solve. But a definite sense that things are coming to a head, like we might be getting somewhere towards an answer or six.
 
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"it must be chewed" lololololololololololol

omg i finally felt some emotion..... only 7 episodes :P
 
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Next episode looks interesting.:eek:

Was there ever any back story on where this cube came from or who it was going to attack? If there was I must have missed it somewhere along the line.
 
Well for some reason I have started watching TNG again. You know what, season 1 isn't that bad. There are actually some really good episodes in it.

I forgot how light hearted it was, and how they made data the comedic fool. Last night I watched the episode where Picard first played the private investigator in the holodeck for the first time. There was an amazing scene where Beverly crusher and Picard were going back to his room *wink* *wink* and data butted in with some amazing one liner. Those were the days.

The cast definately came off as having fun playing their roles, and to be honest, I don't think anyone took it very seriously until the later seasons.
 
At least episode 8 looks liek its going to fill in some of blanks....

and blow stuff up a lot and call in the borg from another dimension... ofc...
 
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