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Originally posted by Sharknose
I don't believe Cyanide is a WMD because it cannot be dispersed in large volumes like Vx or Mustart Gas can.

Cyanide has to be administered on a individual basis as opposed to it being an 'area effect' weapon kinda thing! :)
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Ok, I wasnt sure. After a quick thought I was begining to think it was just a poison because it can be found it peach seeds, right?
 
Originally posted by Sharknose
I don't believe Cyanide is a WMD because it cannot be dispersed in large volumes like Vx or Mustart Gas can.

Cyanide has to be administered on a individual basis as opposed to it being an 'area effect' weapon kinda thing! :)
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Cyanide is fatal if inhaled in sufficient quantities (which aren't that high in RL) It was first used as a weapon in WWI by the french and has been used by others since. Some reports state that Iraq used cyanide in the chemicl cocktail used to murder thousands of Kurds.

Cyanide isn't a very "efficient" CW cos below the lethal dose it has very little effect. In other words it either kills its victim or leaves them with no ill effects.

Cyanide is a CW , though that gun isn't "smoking" ;)
 
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War 'close to end' after Tikrit seized


US Central Command says the war in Iraq is "coming to a close" after US troops took control of the northern city of Tikrit, the hometown of ousted Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein.
Brigadier-General Vincent Brooks told reporters in military HQ in Doha: "Clearly we are at a point when the decisive military operations that were focused on removing the regime... that work is coming to a close".

The Pentagon has confirmed that it is withdrawing two of its three aircraft carriers in the Gulf this week.

Order is gradually being restored to cities including Baghdad - after days of looting following the collapse of the Saddam Hussein regime - with US-Iraqi joint patrols beginning work on Monday.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2945293.stm

more importantly, is it near the end for this thread?.....
 
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11 Smoking Guns

CNN (TV) is reporting that 11 mobile chemical-biological labs were found near Karbala recently. CNN reporter Ryan Chilcote interviewed a General from the 101st Airborne Division who said that these labs were buried underground and marked for easy detection. In addition, these labs were located near a place where artillery shells and/or rockets were either made or stored.

For more: CNN
 
Originally posted by Chrisp7
The Pentagon has confirmed that it is withdrawing two of its three aircraft carriers in the Gulf this week.
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Kitty Hawk and Constellation battle groups. The Abraham Lincoln has left allready. So with a marked reduction in Naval Air Power the Syrian regime can stop worrying about being attacked this month, or even this year as it will take that long to replace the cruise missiles used to attack Iraq.

The Constellation after 42 years service is probably going to be mothballed upon its return.
more importantly, is it near the end for this thread?
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Not till they find the smoking gun ;)
 
SAS capture Saddam Hussein's half-brother

The SAS captured Saddam Hussein's half-brother as he tried to get to the Syrian border, defence sources said yesterday.

A six-man team caught Watban Ibrahim Hasan al-Tikriti on Sunday near the town of Rabia, on the main road from the northern city of Mosul to the border.

The SAS team had been working with Kurdish peshmerga, who received a tip-off that Watban, who is the son of Saddam's mother from her second marriage, was trying to escape across the border.

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Watban allegedly oversaw a number of executions, videotaping them and keeping copies of the tapes. He is being interrogated over the whereabouts of other key members of the regime.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/04/15/wsyri215.xml
 
At least 10 killed in Mosul shooting

ABC (Australian)

At least 10 people have been killed and scores wounded in shooting in Mosul in northern Iraq, a hospital doctor said, as other witnesses alleged United States troops had opened fire.
"There are perhaps 100 wounded and 10 to 12 dead" following the shooting near the local government offices in a central square, Dr Ayad al-Ramadhani said at the emergency department of the city hospital.

Three witnesses questioned by AFP and casualties who spoke to hospital staff said US troops had fired on the crowd which was becoming increasingly hostile towards the city's new governor, Mashaan al-Juburi, as he was making a pro-US speech.
An AFP journalist saw a wrecked car in the square and ambulances ferrying wounded people to hospital, while a US aircraft flew over the city at very low altitude.
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Channel 5 news said that there was gunfire from a nearby building and it was Khurdish security forces that opened fire into the crowd, the US 'fired into the air'. Oh well it's another thing we can argue about until we get the full story in a few days time. ;)

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NASIRIYAH, Iraq (AFP) - The United States was meeting with opposition groups to spell out its vision of a post-Saddam Iraq but thousands took to the streets in protest against US influence over the nation's future.

The rally of around 20,000 mostly Shiite Muslims, unthinkable just a week ago under Saddam's Sunni Muslim regime, underscored the scope of the changes sweeping Iraq as well as the pitfalls facing Washington's effort to re-make the country.

"Yes to freedom ... Yes to Islam ... No to America, No to Saddam," the huge crowd chanted Tuesday as they waved their fists on a march through the centre of this southern city, just a few miles (kilometres) from the first US-led meeting here to chart Iraq's future.

Iraq's leading Shiite opposition group was boycotting the meeting and another key leader sent only a representative, amid distrust over the US role and internal division on how the nation's complicated mix of peoples will be represented in the future government.



Nation building isnt going to be easy, I hope they suceed in the end. Hmm I havent seen anyone contrasting the 20,000 protesters here with the 200(max) Iraqi's at the Saddam statue fall event, but then I forgot the anti-war brigade "lost" last week so I should just be quiet.
 
Boycotting this event is a pathetic counter-productive anti-US statement, if they want representation then join the event which they were invited to.

These statements made me chuckle...

"The rally of around 20,000 mostly Shiite Muslims, unthinkable just a week ago under Saddam's Sunni Muslim regime, "

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"Yes to freedom ... Yes to Islam ... No to America, No to Saddam,"

Dont these numpties realise that they wouldnt even be able to do this without the US intervention.

After all, the surrounding Islamic Arab states did a lot to help them didnt they.....

"Hmm I havent seen anyone contrasting the 20,000 protesters here with the 200(max) Iraqi's at the Saddam statue fall event"

Perhaps because the situations are so utterly utterly different that contrasting them such a flimsy argument that no-one has bothered?
 
Well if you are going to call them numpties when its their country then so much for caring about their freedom! At the end of the day who cares what any of us here think about it, they're the ones who have to live under this new regime.

Oh so why is the situation so different when comparing numbers? The point of the saddam statue thing was "look at all the happy people, Iraq is happy to be liberated". So if a load of them arent happy about the nation building plans and demonstrate, why it not comparable?
 
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Well if you are going to call them numpties when its their country then so much for caring about their freedom! At the end of the day who cares what any of us here think about it, they're the ones who have to live under this new regime.

Oh so why is the situation so different when comparing numbers? The point of the saddam statue thing was "look at all the happy people, Iraq is happy to be liberated". So if a load of them arent happy about the nation building plans and demonstrate, why it not comparable?
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Im calling them numpties because they are letting their blind hatred of the US cloud their judgement, and in doing so have already scored a strike against them being in power.

How can they protest against something which hasnt even been decided. Its like me protesting against the American government purely based on the fact that its American (though i wouldnt put it past some people)

Sure I can protest against them because I dislike their policies etc, but these Shia Muslims havent even seen whats going on in the meeting!!!

Their outright rejection of the meeting shows how flexible they would be in government....

Apologies about the comparison thing, I though you were referring to the protests here,

Yes they are comparable, and its 2,000 Shia Muslims ;)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2950131.stm
 
Aha well I was just quoting a news story from AFP so I dont know the true numbers. OK I do see your point, but I still found it necessary to highlight these protests considering all the over the top backslapping and self-congratulation that accompanied the Saddam Statue fall event. I guess Im still finding it hard to swallow the "berlin wall-like" comparisons which were made in sections of the media, when looking at a zoomed out photo shows hardly anyone was there.
 
I agree,

With respect to the statue thing the media over-hype an isolated incident, as it sells papers.

Just like the 'Baghdad being utterly destroyed' by looters, the 'thousands of civilians slaughtered'/'thousands of Iraq soldiers captured' stories that were flying about.

No doubt tomorrow, some papers will show this single protest of 2,000 muslims as the 'definitive sign that all Iraqis hate the US' :)
 
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