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According to Western intelligence, Iraq has failed to find its own volunteers for suicide missions against coalition troops. Whitehall security sources have told the BBC they have reliable information from inside Iraq that a trawl for volunteers amongst the ruling Baath Party failed to find any takers. According to the sources, a decision was taken to use remotely-detonated bombs in vehicles without the drivers' knowledge.

They say the man who blew himself up in Najaf on Saturday killing four US Marines almost certainly did not know he was going to die.
British security sources say this shows the desperation of the Iraqi regime. There is no immediate way of verifying their claims.
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I cant say I blame the US for its change in policy.

It is a shame that the Iraqi innocent are again the ones who are suffering because of this. US and UK forces have no choice but to take certain actions because of the actions taken by the Iraqi government
 
Originally posted by seaviewuk
women,children, men killed by US troops at checkpoint after vehicle failed to stop at checkpoint

update: troops repeatedly fired warning shots, vehicle ignored all warnings

bbc news 24
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:mad: Nice one.
 
Originally posted by Custor
:mad: Nice one.
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Wassup??

There is only a certain amount of warning you can give.

There are also reports of the same story which say a lorry behind the civvy car opened fire on the civvy when it stopped. The lorry had 4 Iraqi feedayin's in it, there was a fire fight in which people on all "3 sides" were injured.
 
Central Command says it was only women & children in the van, 7 killed, 2 injured. I can see why Iraqs tactics make this kind of thing more likely, but I think Custor is allowed to be mad about this, I know I am :mad:
 
Originally posted by elbows
Central Command says it was only women & children in the van, 7 killed, 2 injured. I can see why Iraqs tactics make this kind of thing more likely, but I think Custor is allowed to be mad about this, I know I am :mad:
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what should have happened then? you arent going to honestly tell me that the soldiers should have let this car drive by seeing as 4 of their comrades were killed when a car bomb exploded at a check point. I think it was fine actions on the part of the soldiers
 
Originally posted by Stiff_Cookie
what should have happened then? you arent going to honestly tell me that the soldiers should have let this car drive by seeing as 4 of their comrades were killed when a car bomb exploded at a check point. I think it was fine actions on the part of the soldiers
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I admit its tricky. But no, to me it wasnt fine action, it was 7 women and children being shot to death and that is never fine to me no matter what the circumstances.
 
Originally posted by elbows
Central Command says it was only women & children in the van, 7 killed, 2 injured. I can see why Iraqs tactics make this kind of thing more likely, but I think Custor is allowed to be mad about this, I know I am
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According to the wire that Sky based their report on the vehicle ignored an order to stop, then ignored warning shots. Not sure what else the troops could do.
 
Originally posted by Over Clocker
Wassup??

There is only a certain amount of warning you can give.

There are also reports of the same story which say a lorry behind the civvy car opened fire on the civvy when it stopped. The lorry had 4 Iraqi feedayin's in it, there was a fire fight in which people on all "3 sides" were injured.
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I'lll keep it military as Iraqi civilians being shot by soldiers only counts as a crime if its Iraqi soldiers doing the killing.

Dead civilians equals ****** off Iraqi soldiers civilians and other Arab nations. ****** off people don't surrender and don't think how lovely and nice it is that they're being liberated if they're not killed first.
More fighting, more hate, more terrorism. One long horrible ugly ******* war!


Jesus chriost the American statement. - considerable restraint WTF are they goign on about:confused: :mad: :mad:
 
I am allowed to be angry about the death of women and children, Im not pretending to have all the answers, but nonetheless I stand by my comments. I can never consider such actions as fine.
 
Central Command Press Release
March 31, 2003
Release Number: 03-03-107
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
CHECKPOINT INCIDENT RESULTS IN FATALITIES

OPERATION IRAQI FREEDOM -- Soldiers from the 3rd Infantry Division fired on a civilian vehicle at approximately 4:30 p.m. today when it failed to stop at a military checkpoint in Iraq, even after warning shots were fired at the vehicle. Seven occupants were killed, two were injured and four were unharmed. Initial reports indicate the passengers were women and children.

The checkpoint was located along Route 9 near An Najaf. Soldiers manning the checkpoint motioned for the vehicle to stop, but were ignored by the driver. The soldiers fired warning shots, which were also ignored by the driver. The soldiers then fired shots into the engine of the vehicle, but it continued moving toward the checkpoint. As a last resort, the soldiers fired into the passenger compartment of the vehicle.

An investigation of the incident is underway. Initial reports indicate the soldiers responded in accordance with the rules of engagement to protect themselves. In light of recent terrorist attacks by the Iraqi regime, the soldiers exercised considerable restraint to avoid the unnecessary loss of life.
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Originally posted by elbows
I admit its tricky. But no, to me it wasnt fine action, it was 7 women and children being shot to death and that is never fine to me no matter what the circumstances.
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ok then what would you have done?

You are standing at a check point in enenmy territory.
You know that four of your friends died when a car drove up to a check point just like yours and exploded.
You fire a few shots into the air, tell the car to halt, it keeps going.

Not only is your life on the line but the life of the other soldiers who are working and living next to you. you would let this possible threat drive on?

It is tragic that the civilians had to die but given the circumstances, I cannot see ANY other way. I would have done exactly the same thing as the soldiers at the check point.

By no means were the US soldiers being overly aggressive or violating human rights, they were doing thier job and protecting themselves. I wouldnt want to be them right now, knowing that they just shot innocent people but at the end of the day its either the soldiers life or the civilians.
 
I dont understand the "warning shots" bit. If i was driving past some armed people and they shot at me I doubt i'd think "Crikey i'd better stop the car and let them shoot me properly".
 
I wouldnt have gone to war in the first place. Look Im admitting I dont have a solution, but Im perfectly entitled to despise and loathe the death of humans, thanks.
 
Originally posted by Custor
I'lll keep it military as Iraqi civilians being shot by soldiers only counts as a crime if its Iraqi soldiers doing the killing.

Dead civilians equals ****** off Iraqi soldiers civilians and other Arab nations. ****** off people don't surrender and don't think how lovely and nice it is that they're being liberated if they're not killed first.
More fighting, more hate, more terrorism. One long horrible ugly ******* war!


Jesus chriost the American statement. - considerable restraint WTF are they goign on about:confused: :mad: :mad:
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I would have been more mad if the soldiers didnt shoot and the truck or whatever turned out to be a bomb. the war has been going on for what 10 days now. If I am driving a truck and some guy fires a gun into the air and then fires the gun into the engine of my truck I am going to ******* well stop.

It was ******* well considerable restraint how many warning did the driver want. You know you seem more then willing to sit back and critisize but when asked what should have been done you ******* ignore it:mad: :rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by Stiff_Cookie
You know that four of your friends died when a car drove up to a check point just like yours and exploded.
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Dont forget the lorry in Kuwait and the claims by the Iraqi regime that they've got 4000 suicide bombers
 
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