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Saddam Hussein has nothing to do with Islam, he might be a muslim but the Muslim world seem to be turning their backs on him, he's scum and rightly so. Hopefully a more liberal Iraq will do more good for ME relations than bad.
 
Dammit, Radio 5 aren't talking about the war so i'm not getting my fix of correspondents saying "i can't tell you where i am, who i'm with or what we're doing but just listen to those explosions!"

Is the war over?

but the Muslim world seem to be turning their backs on him
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How many Arab states are in the coalition of the willing?
 
A lovely story (except that we got thrashed!)

http://news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,6235971%5E25777,00.html

"We turned up to play and there was no one around, just a few kids messing about," he said.

"Then suddenly, out of nowhere, came this kitted-up football team together with a referee and two linesmen.

"The boys thought they must be the Iraqi international side or something. In truth, they thrashed us."

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There were no jumpers for goalposts here - even the referee had a whistle and cards in his pocket, two linesmen proudly carried flags.

Hundreds of children chanted, some sporting the red shirts of Manchester United or Arsenal, carrying playing card pictures of David Beckham and David Seaman.

Behind them lay old defensive military positions, trenches used two weeks ago by the Iraqi army. On Wednesday they were dug outs, sand pits for kids to play in.

Football is their passion and, needless to say, "Mister Beckham", Manchester United's star midfielder, is their man.

"Beckham is best, Beckham is best!" shouted Mohammad, a 21-year-old spectator.

"You need him," replied his friend, pointing to the pitch. "You lose bad."

Meanwhile, the commander of the unit, Lieutenant Colonel Buster Howes, attempted to be magnanimous in defeat.

"We want a rematch," he said with a smile.
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Agence France-Presse

:) :) :)
 
Originally posted by Yossarian

How many Arab states are in the coalition of the willing?
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If the Arab states are pro-Saddam it will be because they are scared &^%£less that Iraq will turn into a flourishing educated democracy. One of the first casualties of an educated populace is fundamentalist religion, so is it any wonder that the hardline Islamic leaders are making such a fuss.

Once a government is installed that takes care of the people, bearing in mind that Iraq has vast resources, so there is no reason whatsoever that there should be poverty or poor education. Hopefully then it will show the Middle East that there is a valid alternative to hardline religous adherance as a way of living.
 
Originally posted by Rich_L
If the Arab states are pro-Saddam it will be because they are scared &^%£less that Iraq will turn into a flourishing educated democracy. One of the first casualties of an educated populace is fundamentalist religion, so is it any wonder that the hardline Islamic leaders are making such a fuss.

Once a government is installed that takes care of the people, bearing in mind that Iraq has vast resources, so there is no reason whatsoever that there should be poverty or poor education. Hopefully then it will show the Middle East that there is a valid alternative to hardline religous adherance as a way of living.
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I think this man has a point! If ppl are educated then they can at least make informed decisions about things, if after a good education they still remain fundamentalists then fine, everyone has a right to beleive in whatever they wish. Hence, FREEDOM.............Braveheart style screaming
 
Originally posted by Rich_L
If the Arab states are pro-Saddam it will be because they are scared &^%£less that Iraq will turn into a flourishing educated democracy.
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It's because they see this action as US aggression and self interest. As the only supporters of the US are ourselves (chief lapdogs) and a handful of irrelevant countries its a very easy stance to take.
 
Quite possibly, however these are also the countries which pretty much blame all of their woes and problems on the US, because in that region it is the 'easy stance to take'

Seriously, if the people stopped blaming the US and started looking at the problems in the country itself then they might actually get out of the hole that they are in.
 
Originally posted by Sleepy
Kuwait, Qatar, Jordan are letting the US base troops in them.
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I wonder why Kuwait are doing that :D. As for Qatar and Jordan, hardly the majority or even two of the remotely important states in the region.
 
Originally posted by Ex-RoNiN
Yeah, war against Saddam, not the people :rolleyes:
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Looks to me that the fault does not lie with the allied troops,

"I have just returned from working in Angola and never expected to see exactly the same sort of poverty in Iraq - a country floating on oil. "

How on Earth did the country get to this state, talk about poor government....

"The coalition has installed a water pipeline in Umm Qasr and sends out water tankers, but the Iraqi lorry drivers go off and sell the water. Most people have no money to buy it. "

And its the Allied forces fault that the Iraqi lorry drivers are thieving scum.
 
Iraqi informer angered by treatment of POW

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MARINE COMBAT HEADQUARTERS, Iraq - The Iraqi man who tipped U.S. Marines to the location of American POW Jessica Lynch said Thursday he did so after he saw her Iraqi captor slap her twice as she lay wounded in a hospital.
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Originally posted by Rich_L
Looks to me that the fault does not lie with the allied troops,

"I have just returned from working in Angola and never expected to see exactly the same sort of poverty in Iraq - a country floating on oil. "

How on Earth did the country get to this state, talk about poor government....

"The coalition has installed a water pipeline in Umm Qasr and sends out water tankers, but the Iraqi lorry drivers go off and sell the water. Most people have no money to buy it. "

And its the Allied forces fault that the Iraqi lorry drivers are thieving scum.
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The troups are there to occupy the place. Doesn't sound like occupation to me, sounds like they are hiding in their barracks whilst the Iraqis go nuts. What is needed is order, which doesn't seem to be enforced.

Why use the iraqi drivers in the first place? Why no armed escorts for aid? Why no MPs patrolling the streets?

Some things the allies have to take blame for.
 
Originally posted by Ex-RoNiN
Some things the allies have to take blame for.
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This BBC report is at odds with footage shown yesterday by both the BBC and Sky. Also the NGO Aid representatives interviewed yesterday did not report on a shambles. This is typical BBC anti-war spin.
 
Funny, I though this was a 'liberation' not an occupation of Iraq ;)

Technically, the mission is to remove Saddam from power and let the Iraqis govern themselves :)

Though in all fairness, the allied forces should be occupying the towns and enforcing law and order, only problem is that puts the soldiers in a precarious position, particularly as they are being watched intensely by media ready to jump on any mistakes that are made.

This would be a perfect situation for the UN peacekeepers with their internationally recognised blue berets/helmets and reputations to get in there and administer order.

Pity all the diplomatic squabbling (ie France claiming that any UN involvement would legitimise the invasion) means that the Iraqi people are going to suffer because of it.

Once the US had decided to go in, the UN should immediately have started to draw up plans for filling the power vacuum, and get its peacekeepers in the safe areas instead of having a hissy fit because the US went ahead regardless.
 
Family of POW: She Wasn't Shot or Stabbed

Yahoo News
PALESTINE, W.Va. - The father of rescued POW Army Pfc. Jessica Lynch said Thursday she was in great spirits following her first surgery and said doctors told him she had not been shot or stabbed during her ordeal. "We have heard and seen reports that she had multiple gunshot wounds and a knife stabbing. The doctor has not seen any of this," Gregory Lynch Sr. said. "There's no entry (wounds) whatsoever."

Also waiting for news are family members with loved ones in the 507th, based at Fort Bliss, Texas: Seven soldiers remained missing Thursday, five were listed as prisoners of war and two others were confirmed killed.

Eleven bodies were found during Lynch's dramatic rescue from an Iraqi hospital. The military on Thursday said that nine of the bodies were Americans.

The Washington Post reported Thursday that Lynch shot several Iraqi soldiers during the firefight and kept firing until she ran out of ammunition even after suffering several gunshot wounds. Pentagon officials declined to comment on the report.
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So the spin is unspinning on this story
 
Sky News

Car Bomb kills 3 troops

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Pregnant female stepped out of a vehicle and started screaming, as 3 US troops approached the vehicle exploded killing the driver, 3 troops and the female.

This occurred last night NW of Baghdad, near a dam captured by US SF troops.

April 4, 2003
Release Number: 03-04-48
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

STATEMENT FROM U.S. CENTRAL COMMAND -- VEHICLE EXPLOSION

Camp As Sayliyah, Qatar -- Last night approximately 18 km southwest of the Hadithah Dam in Iraq, a civilian vehicle approached a Coalition checkpoint. A pregnant female stepped out of the vehicle and began screaming in fear. At this point the civilian vehicle exploded, killing three Coalition force members who were approaching the vehicle and wounding two others. The pregnant female and the driver of the vehicle were also killed in the attack.
 
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