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Starting swimming, any advice?

Discussion in 'Sports Arena' started by Scam, Feb 18, 2015.

  1. D.P.

    Caporegime

    Joined: Oct 18, 2002

    Posts: 29,350

    I do find at the start of a session breathing is awkward and i always feel out breath, but by the end it does feel much more natural and less of a problem, even when swimming harder. The real issue comes when trying to concentrate on some technique then i end up forgetting about something else. E.g. last week I was trying to push my arm further forwards but kept screwing up my breathing.Sometimes I even forget to kick properly I am so focused on trying to improve the catch/pull.
     
  2. madindehead

    Mobster

    Joined: May 30, 2009

    Posts: 4,571

    Location: Maidenhead

    Do any of you have any links to good training sessions that you managed to find online?
     
  3. Shamrock

    Soldato

    Joined: Jul 24, 2003

    Posts: 5,594

    Location: floating down the Liffey

    I seriously recommend trying the 2 breaths on one side, 3 strokes, 2 breaths on the other side.

    It may seem tricky to coordinate but once I started doing it I no longer had hypoxia headaches from not getting enough oxygen.
     
  4. D.P.

    Caporegime

    Joined: Oct 18, 2002

    Posts: 29,350

    Might try it next time. When i was learning to bilateral breath I would alternate lengths of 1 sided, 2 breaths on 1 side, and bilateral. It definitely seemed like a good compromise.
    Thing is i am so used to bilateral now that when i try to go 1 sided that actually feels weird and too fast!



    Had a good swim this morning. should have been my fastest swim ever, ever 10-length set was a few seconds than average and I had no slow sets (previously I would often get a couple fo sets that were 30-40 seconds slower than the average for no discernible reason). Stopped the watch after the last length hoping to see a new personal record but was disappointed to see it was 30 seconds slower than last Thursday. Looks like I took some longer rests before sets as my actual swim time was definitely the fastest (43:50 for 2250 yards,/2060m). That is fine, its just strange because I swear my rests were shorter than average as well.

    Still, last week I would have been ecstatic to see 49:23 on my watch when getting out, and that makes 2 very fast swim sessions back to back. I think i have a bit more of the technique down: ensuring my arm pushes forwards once it enters the water and bringing my shoulder close to chin before initiating the catch.
     
  5. D.P.

    Caporegime

    Joined: Oct 18, 2002

    Posts: 29,350

    I would also be interested. I spend a lot of time looking on different websites and especially youtube videos for techniques and sometimes see some drills. When I go swimming I keep to a fairly boring recipe of 10 lengths sets for 90 lengths total, the sets might go to 4+6 with a short break towards the end. Each set I try to work on something different, often using a float or snorkel to isolate some of the variables.
     
  6. Scam

    Capodecina

    Joined: Oct 20, 2002

    Posts: 12,596

    Location: London

    Not sure if posting these stats will work but I'm thoroughly enjoying having my Poolmate2 now. Having started swimming I guess like a year ago :)confused: ), I still haven't taken any lessons so I'm just learning as I go and going off what I was taught when I was at school :D I must take some one-on-one lessons and do some drills I guess..

    Code:
    Date		Time	Cals	Laps	Distance Avg Strokes
    Mon 27/6/16	0:31:56	282cal	38	1,026m	15
    Wed 29/6/16	0:35:57	327cal	44	1,188m	15
    Mon 4/7/16	0:38:15	312cal	42	1,134m	15
    Wed 6/7/16	0:28:09	238cal	32	864m	15
    Mon 18/7/16	0:35:32	337cal	49	1,225m	14
    Fri 22/7/16	0:33:04	297cal	40	1,080m	15
    Mon 25/7/16	0:44:33	371cal	50	1,350m	15
    Tue 26/7/16	0:37:38	312cal	42	1,134m	15
    Fri 29/7/16	0:35:00	312cal	42	1,134m	15
    Mon 1/8/16	0:38:25	327cal	44	1,188m	15
    Thu 4/8/16	0:44:10	386cal	52	1,404m	15
    It's a 27.5m pool and my watch only let's me put 27m or 28m. So I'm logging as 27m, so I get a free 0.5m for every lap? (not added above) :p

    I'm still sorting out my breathing. I just get too out of breath doing bilateral. Towards the second half I resort to breathing every time on my right side which is so much easier. I've also been trying bilateral, but twice on both side as mentioned above. Breathing on my left side is just not great, I don't "trust" the breath so I think I hold my breath more and don't take in as much oxygen. Not great. All these sessions are in my lunch hour, usually twice a week.

    EDIT: Forgot to mention that I've only got the Poolmate2 which doesn't upload for you. Takes 2mins to put in my data to a Google sheet, on which I've also set up some pretty graphs :p
     
  7. jpaul

    Soldato

    Joined: Mar 1, 2010

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    so would that be the oasis 27.5 m outdoor heated pool Holborn (lucky ...) sun /environment can be a good motivation to breathe both sides
    [I see they are part of Better company so I think my membership works - would like to try the olympic one, some time, too]

    are they continuous lengths or with pauses ?
    Do you look at poolmate as you swim so that you can try and keep individual laps ups to spec ie I should be half way down the pool by now.

    The narrow (<2m) lane swimming I did initially (often with flippered women 2 abreast aggressively overtaking down the middle - unedited) was always anticlockwise so breathing on the right , not into someones oncoming arm, was the way to go, swimming clockwise still confuses me.
    [they should keep the flippers segregated - too much wake]
     
  8. IndigoGorilla

    Wise Guy

    Joined: Feb 12, 2011

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    Location: Manchester

    Best of luck at the triathlon tomorrow Shamrock, will be there myself in the 12.50 wave. What time is your wave?

    If it's a similar time look out for someone on a bright pink Specialized Allez and say hello. :)
     
  9. Shamrock

    Soldato

    Joined: Jul 24, 2003

    Posts: 5,594

    Location: floating down the Liffey

    Good luck to you too.:)

    I'm out in Wave 6 at 8.10am so I'm hoping to be finished before you start!
     
  10. jpaul

    Soldato

    Joined: Mar 1, 2010

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    Speedo Dive-in event today : our teacher was Lizzie Simmonds 2008 Olympics

    went through a number of exercises
    - bouy between thighs, also ankles to conentrate on stroke
    - stroke with clenched fist
    - dragging water surface with fingers during recovery (vertical hand)
    - speedo biofuse hand paddles (nice, not too bulky but helped educate on hand posn)
    - snorkel (could not get on with this, being able to breathe anytime is bizarre)
    - float out front for kicking (she stressed flexible ankles)
    - float out front alternately grasping with right/left hand (catch up exercise)
    good teacher, good fun.

    [event was as Peterborough Thorpe park , not to my taste , badly lit/gloomy, pool cloudy, would not get out of bed for this as my local - anyone ?
    need TripAdvisor for pools]
     
  11. Shamrock

    Soldato

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    Location: floating down the Liffey

    How did you get on? I wasn't really feeling it two weeks after an Ironman. I wanted to give up about 200m into the swim!:o

    I definitely prefer the rolling swim starts to the cluster-**** mass starts.
     
  12. IndigoGorilla

    Wise Guy

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    Location: Manchester

    2.49.11, a little over 10 minutes quicker than when I did the Salford Triathlon in 2013 so happy with the result.

    My swim was 36.45 compared to over 43 minutes at Salford, smashed it on the bike in 1.09 but ended up with cramp on the run and the heat was horrible and my run was 54.49 where as I'd managed just over 46 at Salford. So I know that without cramp next time and better weather I can aim for sub 2.40 next time I do the Standard Distance.

    Know what you mean about the swim as well, got smacked a few times at the beginning and couldn't quite get into a rhythm quickly but really happy with the time but want it to be a little quicker next time.

    It was two weeks for me after running the Snowdonia Trail Marathon so not the best preperation and it probably affected my run a lot as well as everything else.

    How did you get on?
     
  13. Shamrock

    Soldato

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    Location: floating down the Liffey

    Nice one. Will you do any more? Full Ironman? :D

    I'm happy enough with my result considering but I think if I wasn't freaking out at the start of the swim I might have done it in under 30mins.

    Swim - 31:07

    Bike - 1:00:11

    Run - 41:51

    Total - 2:19:52

    I ranked 125th overall.:D

    I liked the giant inflatable pig buoys. Much easier to see than those in the Ironman.
     
    Last edited: Aug 8, 2016
  14. IndigoGorilla

    Wise Guy

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    Good work, I'd like to go sub 2:20 eventually myself. Ironman is on the cards for 2018. Plan is Salford Triathlon July 2017, Ironman 70.3 Lanzarote September 2017, Ironman Bolton July 2018.

    And those big red pigs were amazing, really easy to spot. I have a lovehate relationship with the swimming as it's good when I'm settled and feel calm but when it goes wrong it goes to pot and it's horrible. I can grin and bear the bad parts of a cycle/run easy enough as you can still move whilst struggling and don't freak out anywhere near as much.

    And that's a bloody good ranking!!
     
  15. Shamrock

    Soldato

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    Cheers!

    I think it's the lack of warm up. You're expected to go 0 to 60 instantly with only a land-based warm up.

    In both the HIM and IM I had time before the race to get into the water and actually swim to warm up.
     
    Last edited: Aug 8, 2016
  16. Scam

    Capodecina

    Joined: Oct 20, 2002

    Posts: 12,596

    Location: London

    Certainly is. It's a great pool, but ironically in the summer weeks whenever the kids are out of school it's pretty hideous and I tend to either not bother or get relegated to the indoor pool! Looking at the ladies sunbathing is nice, but dodging the morons in the middle lane, or trying to keep up with the furious/angry swimming in the fast lane is not much fun :p

    Generally I do 2-4 lengths then a quick rest. My breathing isn't good enough to go continuous yet, which is really holding me back. I think my other main issue is that my ankles are really not flexible and I do occasionally get cramp. Trying to flex my ankles in the water makes me nervous of getting cramp in my feet as has happened a few times. Not so much anymore - but it probably means I don't have such a good foot position.

    The Speedo Dive-in looks interesting, I'll have to investigate. That's exactly what I need! I think somebody asked the same thing a few pages back, but is there a guide online somewhere that goes through drills.. when to do them, what they're for etc? I see the better swimmers doing kick drills, using hand flippers and buoys between their legs but I'm hesitant to try because I have no idea what I'm doing :p
     
  17. D.P.

    Caporegime

    Joined: Oct 18, 2002

    Posts: 29,350

    Had a crappy swim this morning, just wasn't feeling it TBH. I hope I can find my swimming form from last week.
     
  18. jpaul

    Soldato

    Joined: Mar 1, 2010

    Posts: 6,422

    Talking about ankles saw these interesting dry exercises
    the Reverse Namaste Arms is well challenging - if I increase flexibility to do it, will my freestyle improve ?
    another couple of links with some drills wet dry
    I need more dry exercises - since cannot always be at pool
     
  19. D.P.

    Caporegime

    Joined: Oct 18, 2002

    Posts: 29,350

    Kind of Good news. Yesterday I had my fastest ever swim over the 2250 yards I test my self with. Last week I had lots of fast sets but seemed to send longer testing between sets. So I ended up doing some bigger sets and so less of them to see what would happen. I also wanted to work on endurance a bit instead of just doing my usual 10 le gth sets I did a couple of 20 length 500 yd sets.

    Total swim time went down to 48:37. So only 11 seconds faster than my record but it's nice. The thing is the sets were swam slower of course being more tired and less tested.

    Still good to make some progress. Hoping to bring my average swim time under 45 minutes by November because then I will decide on where to do an Ironman next year or 2018
     
  20. jpaul

    Soldato

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    ...so I felt much better after watching the womens 10k wild swim , 10K meters in ~2hrs - that would be about 4x faster than my typical 2.5K in ~1 hour
    (probably need to check I can do 100m in 40s too, a marathon in 8 hours that would work too)
    The winner Sharon VAN ROUWENDAAL and other two looked genuinely pleased to win too, I think there is less cynicism in the younger winners across all domains.