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Starting swimming, any advice?

Discussion in 'Sports Arena' started by Scam, Feb 18, 2015.

  1. Flukester

    Man of Honour

    Joined: Nov 1, 2007

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    Location: Christchurch UK

    Tried Series 2 Apple watch today swimming, worked really well... though I slightly miss the always on readout of old garmin swim watch.

    Best bit was heart rate monitoring. It know from last night my resting heart rate (I'm 45) is around 54. During swim I think it averaged 141bpm. I recovered quite quick after swim but it's taken all morning so far to get into low 60s

    https://cardiogr.am/c/zw3gtx

    You can see above about half way into swim at 50 lengths I tucked in behind a crawler and got a tow for the rest, my heart rate dropped off proving I'm cheating.

    I think this is going to be a great tool :), plus it was quite surreal going through my work emails when showering after :D
     
    Last edited: Nov 29, 2016
  2. D.P.

    Caporegime

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    ^^^ your base heart rate in the daytime will never match your true resting heart rate.
     
  3. jpaul

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    ... currently waiting for a viable swim HRM myself

    So what is the rationale behind no readout on Apple watch of heart rate, during exercise ?
    (battery saving and lack of opportunity to glance at it whilst swimming - I failed to find an answer on the web and the watch seems too new for the trusted dcrainmaker to review it)

    Did your garmin(735) have a hrm strap ? seems a good sign if the optical read on the Apple is as reliable despite water and arm movement.
     
  4. jpaul

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    a bump on this thread with a winter topic - your next challenge The Ice Km
    an interesting bbc progamme on the latest craze, swimming a km in water at zero degrees
    discussion of the physiology of body in cold water, apparently if you increase cold tolerance the region where you shiver and have warnings of irreversible 'damage' is diminished, plus most people in severe cold die as they are about to be saved.

    .... more people climbed Everest than swam the channel.

    also not sure what kind of freezer you need to generate ice for the ice baths suggested
     
  5. DazQ87

    Wise Guy

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    Location: Milton Keynes

    Talking of cold water...
    I decided to go for the first open water swim of 2017 a few days ago, without a wetsuit, was told the water was about 10 degrees, I didn't last more than 2km, was so cold my face felt like it was burning and I decided it was time to get out when I couldn't keep my fingers together anymore!
     
  6. jpaul

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    impressive ... is that with an available out ? or lengths somewhere .. I am not sure I could commit to 2k at 10c


    I am thinking I need to get a nose-clip, had largely trained myself to just breathe (freestyle) through mouth and not use the nose, since with the slightest cold virus, had found using the nose exaccerbated congestion in the sinuses.
    However over past bi-weekly swims this stratgey seems to have been less successful, so need to cut off any nose supply completely I think.
    That is just breathing on every right arm stroke, and I am not ultimately sure how much capacity you might loose though, versus using mouth+nose.
    Also tried breathing in through nose out through mouth but that did not help either.

    Anyone adopted a similar nose-clip approach ? (recommendations ?)
     
  7. Slinkie

    Wise Guy

    Joined: Oct 21, 2002

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    Location: UK

    Hi all,

    I'm fairly new to front crawl having taken up triathlons this year and have progressed ok so far (self taught) but wanted some advice on changing breathing pattern. Currently I am breathing every other stroke (can do either side). I have a fairly slow and steady rhythm so as to not tire out before biking/ running. My last Olympic tri was a 35min 1500m ow swim.

    When I breathe every 3 strokes (so alternate sides) I find myself running out of breath. Should I try speeding up my stroke to get 3 strokes between breathes or is it just a case of practising and putting the time in to get used to the longer time between breaths?

    Are there any good videos/ podcasts online for swimming that you would recommend?
     
  8. SPG

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    Joined: Jul 28, 2010

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    Swim.com is pretty good actually.

    Speeding up stroke will make you more tired, I would consider working on extending your stroke and extending glide time.

    I found a good drill for this was holding the glide for 1-1.5 seconds on each side. Kinda hard though as you need to keep the core really tight.
     
  9. jpaul

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    kicking this thread-
    any other recommendations for prescription goggles ,
    just renewed mine ~ 18months lifespan with the below, they are blue, better for inside


    Also, vaguely related
    HTC U11 - Selfies extrêmes avec Tom Daley

    (now 'banned' by manufacturer/htc) I had thought this was going to be demonstrating fast video frame capture on a phone, but, was just selfies,
    but anyway, the htc is not up to the job


    [​IMG]
     
  10. 413x

    Capodecina

    Joined: Jan 13, 2010

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    Location: Stamford

    I'm good at swimming but have terrible technique I'm sure.

    I was fortunate enough to have a pool when growing up so can' rremember not being able to swim. Been swimming 3 times this year and can pretty much start where I left off. Probably as I have the shape and muscle. Memory or something.

    I breathe on the same side as I struggle with every other and have a set pace that I find difficult to break out of. But I'm fairly fast for no cardio in a year (except kayaking).

    I love being in water but it' h when you don' h easy access to a pool
     
  11. jpaul

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    A rubbish piece of swimming pool architecture - shoot the architects
    they just opened a new cambridge pool (right - hive @ely) called in today, if only they had put more windows and natural light, just narrow windows on far side,
    the image is too complimentary, but, a completely uninspirational place to swim

    currently use abbey (left) miles better ambiance. ....


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  12. jpaul

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    Found the holy grail in swim watches ... most of the fancy ones need an inconvenient strong push-off to count lengths,
    it would appear with this waterproof casio you just press a button at end of a length for a split time (and will record 60x 50m splits).

    Available <£25. Anyone tried one. ? (I would have liked heart rate but do not want to wear a chest strap)

    Casio Collection Unisex Adults Watch STR-300C
     
  13. jsmoke

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    Been swimming about 3 times this year quite enjoyable though can't last more than 4 lengths without break
     
  14. jpaul

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    the horror ... the fog
    any recommendations for a good process for no-fogging in goggles ?
    current technique :
    • Cressi ant-fog sray applied sparingly 30 mins before hand
    • seal goggle on face with addtional spit
    • BUT, it is either the cold shower beforehand or the pool temp ... They fog up.

    Lap counting
    So Suunto smart watch (<£100) means I no longer count laps, and could concentrate on other things if I could see, too, or if there was radar built in to detect pool end , could nearly swim blind.
    just press the button every time I reach one end, don't do flips ... and check the total occasionally
    - best swim purchase, since ever (music next ?)

    Heart rate monitoring
    Also did first/trial heart rate monitoring (data uploads from chest strap after swim) when pool empty-ish
    this was a surprise only ~100bpm 3km/hr (versus typical run/cycle 130/140) I had expected more

    Am also playing with this free(non-comm) software, want to do some rem sleep analysis too.
    Kubios HRV Standard
    "Our world famous Kubios HRV software is a scientific tool for heart rate variability (HRV) analysis"
    video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CdEoXGNt_c
    so you can check out whether your parasympathetic(base functions) and sympathetic(exercise related) nervous system heart rate contributors indicate you are not overtraining.
     
  15. Oxide™

    Mobster

    Joined: Dec 26, 2007

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    Location: South London

    For anti fogging I mix in a little spray bottle, half Johnson's baby shampoo and half water. Two squirts on each lens then when in pool a quick dunk of the goggles gets enough excess off and you're good to go
     
  16. jpaul

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    I use (sls free;)) johnson's at the pool for hair, so I can try that out -
    I replaced the 2yr old bottle of cressi I had, and the new one is much better, so I think it may have separated in some way;
    nonetheless johnsons's is cheaper..

    ... I always seal the google on before entering water ... red eyes for days if I get any chlorine inside.
     
  17. jsmoke

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    Up to 16 lengths comfortably, will ramp up to 30 next time. Just need to work out how to go faster now.
     
  18. jpaul

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    Have never bothered with flip turns .. unless you are competition pools swimming, the don't make you 'swim' any faster, you just use a different muscle set for the turns...
    it's much more satisfying to allow people to flip turn if they want and catch/pass them on the straight, and just refine/use your stroke on the complete length.
    25m anyway, becomes pretty short if you burn up 5m with energy from a flip-turn.

    ...went to one of the speedos dive in free sessions a while back .. worth looking out for, for tips
     
  19. SPG

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    Well i broke the goal of 2k now, next goal is to get 1.5km done in under 30mins, so need to slash 5min of my current time (all freestyle) my breaststroke is like a one legged frog.

    The plan is just to do power strokes for as long as i can, Recovery swim with fists, recovery and repeat.

    I get settled into a rhythm on the 2k and not necessary working as hard as i should, so hopefully this should gain me some more strength.

    Also struggling to learn kick turns :(