State of RT today. Is it usuable?

[tommybhoy]

Very easy to install. Takes a bit of messing with ray steps/amounts for performance reasons usually, but otherwise it's straightforward.

Thanks for the info.

 

[ltron]

Either which way I really need to and want to hold on for the 3000 series. but it gets harder and harder to do so.

Is my 1080 struggling? Not really. After I turned off all the extras in Metro Exodus it managed the game at Ultra 1440p. Same with Assassins Creed Odyssey. Ultra 1440p. But I imagine it's Gsync which is helping the game feel good as I can see I get dips in fps down to 30 minimums. But it still feels great.

I run Assassin' Creed Odyssey at a 70% resolution scale at 1440P in order to get a good frame rate on my GTX 1080 with the killer volumetric clouds setting turned down to very high. I don't notice much loss of sharpness with the resolution scale, maybe that's due to my bad eyesight.

As for raytracing, it can't be done fast enough to be worth it yet.

 

[Safetytrousers]

Thats a big fat no, i have seen no reason to upgrade from the 1080ti to any RT equipped money grabber from Nvidia.

At 1440p or lower I would agree (unless you are chasing mega high fps) but for 4k 60fps my 2080ti is truly beneficial.

 

[Marine-RX179]

Buying 20 seres cards for RT pretty much would be like buying the 1st gen SSD back in the days- cost lots of money, and don't perform near as well as a gen or two later down the line while costing less.

There's not enough application/software truly benefit from it yet because of the huge performance trade-of, so might as wait wait till at least Nvidia move from 12nm to 7nm, where the cards will be able to fit much more transistors and RT cores etc onto the GPU.

 

[opethdisciple]

Buying 20 seres cards for RT pretty much would be like buying the 1st gen SSD back in the days- cost lots of money, and don't perform near as well as a gen or two later down the line while costing less.

There's not enough application/software truly benefit from it yet because of the huge performance trade-of, so might as wait wait till at least Nvidia move from 12nm to 7nm, where the cards will be able to fit much more transistors and RT cores etc onto the GPU.

Yup

 

[ArmitageShanks]

Buying 20 seres cards for RT pretty much would be like buying the 1st gen SSD back in the days- cost lots of money, and don't perform near as well as a gen or two later down the line while costing less.

True for any new tech. Although I'd say in the case of SSDs, they seem to be getting worse.

 

[Stephanie Peterson]

but for 4k 60fps my 2080ti is truly beneficial.

Yes but thats not down to raytracing or what not is it? Its just shear grunt.

 

[opethdisciple]

Can you use RT at 1440p with a 2070 Super?

 

[Safetytrousers]

Yes but thats not down to raytracing or what not is it? Its just shear grunt.

Yes it's grunt (which incidentally allows it to easily use RT), but he said 'RT equipped' card which the 2080ti is.

 

[Rroff]

Can you use RT at 1440p with a 2070 Super?

Would depend a lot on the game and settings. There isn't really a yes/no answer to that - but a next gen game that used it in the manner of Quake 2 where it does all the lighting I doubt would be playable much above 720p on a 2070 super.

 

[opethdisciple]

Would depend a lot on the game and settings. There isn't really a yes/no answer to that - but a next gen game that used it in the manner of Quake 2 where it does all the lighting I doubt would be playable much above 720p on a 2070 super.

Ouch. Even if you set medium RT?

Based on this evidence I see zero point in buying these cards for their RT ability.

 

[ANDREW GREEN]

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RT shadows can be modded into some games with McFly reshade if you subscribe to his Patreon(unless he's released it to the public), seen some vids up on GTAV and W3 with shadow RT'ing using his RTX Reshade.

Maybe I'm missing something but I struggle to see the difference in quality. In scenes it also looks like it's losing texture detail, which I assume is because of additional light in some areas.

I think for RT to be impressive it needs to be coded as part of the original game design rather than patched in after the fact

 

[Poneros]

Maybe I'm missing something but I struggle to see the difference in quality. In scenes it also looks like it's losing texture detail, which I assume is because of additional light in some areas.

I think for RT to be impressive it needs to be coded as part of the original game design rather than patched in after the fact

There's a lot of subtle changes which help create a better sense of depth to the image. Look at vegetation shadowing & overall contrast in the pic I posted on the previous page.

 

[willhub]

I want 2080Ti performance / RT for 600 quid.

 

[JediFragger]

I want 2080Ti performance / RT for 600 quid.

and I want a 10in **** but no way I'm cutting any off

 

[Grim5]

Maybe I'm missing something but I struggle to see the difference in quality. In scenes it also looks like it's losing texture detail, which I assume is because of additional light in some areas.

I think for RT to be impressive it needs to be coded as part of the original game design rather than patched in after the fact

Because reshade is not actual ray tracing
It’s a clickbait title for a clickbait video

 

[Nasher]

Looks better with it off.

 

[gary996]

RT is just Nvidia finding a way to make money out of you without giving you anything.
I can see how the conversation went.
Nvidia guy 1 " how can we bring a new card to the market? We can not get much more performance out of it"
Nvidia guy 2 "why don't we just add ray tracing to the card?"
Nvidia guy 1 " What is that going to add to the card? More power, faster frame rates, far far better graphics?"
Nvidia guy 2 "no none of them just a lot more money for the price of the card?
Nvidia guy 1 " do you really think the consumer will fall for that?"
Nvidia guy 2 "yes of course they will, the consumer who buys these will think that's expensive it must be the BEST THING EVER"

 

[greatash]

Buying 20 seres cards for RT pretty much would be like buying the 1st gen SSD back in the days- cost lots of money, and don't perform near as well as a gen or two later down the line while costing less.

There's not enough application/software truly benefit from it yet because of the huge performance trade-of, so might as wait wait till at least Nvidia move from 12nm to 7nm, where the cards will be able to fit much more transistors and RT cores etc onto the GPU.

This is true. Plus once the next generation releases next year with stronger raytracing performance the current cards wont be able to handle it at all, they can barely do the small selective RTX they are doing atm.

 

[Panos]

RT is just Nvidia finding a way to make money out of you without giving you anything.
I can see how the conversation went.
Nvidia guy 1 " how can we bring a new card to the market? We can not get much more performance out of it"
Nvidia guy 2 "why don't we just add ray tracing to the card?"
Nvidia guy 1 " What is that going to add to the card? More power, faster frame rates, far far better graphics?"
Nvidia guy 2 "no none of them just a lot more money for the price of the card?
Nvidia guy 1 " do you really think the consumer will fall for that?"
Nvidia guy 2 "yes of course they will, the consumer who buys these will think that's expensive it must be the BEST THING EVER"

Same applies to DLSS also. Considering AMD Upscaling + RIS does better job, and even 2560x1440 to 4K upscaling works perfectly with just 2 clicks on the driver settings and not much advertising about it as something ground breaking and the best thing since sliced bread.