Steam Frame (Valve Index 2)

mountaincow said:
My take is you're not limited by what games or applications you can run directly on the headset. You're not locked into any ecosystem or store, which afaik you are with the Quest.
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i think waht they are refering to is being ale to side load apks with developer access and sidequest which meta tolerate but would rather not have.

but i generally agree with you.
 
TNA said:
Now breath...

My position is, anything more than £400 and they can keep it.

I can't justify paying more as I know it won't get enough use to warrant it.
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can't have it both ways imo.

you either pay a sensible price for the hardware.. or you buy a cheaper headset subsidised by letting meta use your data as well as buy standalone software from the meta store. (it's still open for PCVR however)

if £400 is your limit buy a quest 3S (iirc in a sale it goes as low as £300)

if you want an open headset and (hopefully) no using your data then expect to pay £800+

IF you don't want meta and you don't care about standalone then you could do much worse than buying a 2nd hand reverb G2, high resolution, good colours (small sweetspot but if you frankenmod it to replace the facial insert (lots of guides online) I find the sweetspot ok and it maximises the FOV too.

also has industry leading built in sound (same as the index)
 
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bigmike20vt said:
can't have it both ways imo.

you either pay a sensible price for the hardware.. or you buy a cheaper headset subsidised by letting meta use your data as well as buy standalone software from the meta store. (it's still open for PCVR however)

if £400 is your limit buy a quest 3S (iirc in a sale it goes as low as £300)

if you want an open headset and (hopefully) no using your data then expect to pay £800+

IF you don't want meta and you don't care about standalone then you could do much worse than buying a 2nd hand reverb G2, high resolution, good colours (small sweetspot but if you frankenmod it to replace the facial insert (lots of guides online) I find the sweetspot ok and it maximises the FOV too.

also has industry leading built in sound (same as the index)
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Had the G1 some years ago. Been there done that. Tech needs to move forward and it should not mean price has to balloon with it.

I have zero interest in a meta product. As for steam, once they can make products at a cheaper price point or I end up in a situation where I have a lot more free time then then I will buy their headset. But at £800 these will sell like the Index (not very much).

I reckon it will be cheaper than that. But yeah, probably not £400. And that is fine. I dont even have the time keep up with not my games, let alone add vr into the mix.
 
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I'd bet anything on it not being cheaper than Quest 3, I think it'll be a bit more, maybe £799 or something. Edit : I just have a hunch it's going to be nearer Q3 price now that I think about it. None of the components are high end afaik. Gonna say £599.
 
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I'm guessing $899 and the same £ equiv..

I can't see it being much cheaper, possibly $100, but given all the rumours about Valve struggling to get the price under $1k unlikely.
 
All we hear is Valve want to release it under the Index price, which is why I guessed at £800.

To be honest I'm getting so fed up with the Meta jank with PCVR that the frame is becoming more tempting, even though in some respects it's a step backwards for me.
 
Ravenger said:
All we hear is Valve want to release it under the Index price, which is why I guessed at £800.

To be honest I'm getting so fed up with the Meta jank with PCVR that the frame is becoming more tempting, even though in some respects it's a step backwards for me.
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imo it "has" to be £500 or it will be an enthusiast's bit of kit

All speculation at this point in any case.
 
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well we will certainly have a lot to discuss at tonights meet and great :D
im not sure i would want to pay more than 650 for it at the moment.

but agree its all speculation.
we (the community) could probably do a cost breakdown based on components, its sharing hardware similar to steam deck for the thumb sticks as example.
pannels
battery
controller
camera
ect
 
The Frame thumbsticks are completely different from the Steamdeck - they're hall effect or similar. I think Valve have learned a hard lesson from the stick failures of the Index controllers which caused a lot of RMAs.

You'd think Meta would have learned this lesson with the Pro controllers which use the same drift-prone sticks as the Quest 2.
 
ow i thought some one mentioned valve were using standard components as much as possible and mentioned the thumb sticks were the same. i'll have to go back through some of the videos and check what was actually mentioned
 
Also the Frame runs on ARM not X64 like the Steam deck, so non-native games on the Frame will run via an abstraction layer. In fact it's two abstraction layers: One to translate X86 to ARM and the Proton layer to translate Windows games to Linux.
 
IF you watch the Tested video, Norm talks about the price. It's not going to be £599 or £650. Valve are hoping to get the price under the $1000 price of the Valve Index. "Hoping" is the important word and, according to that Tested video, Valve are making no promises about that $1000 price. There is a chance that it might be more.
 
melmac said:
IF you watch the Tested video, Norm talks about the price. It's not going to be £599 or £650. Valve are hoping to get the price under the $1000 price of the Valve Index. "Hoping" is the important word and, according to that Tested video, Valve are making no promises about that $1000 price. There is a chance that it might be more.
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At this rate they will release such headset for £400 in 5-10 years time :cry:
 
Nate75 said:
imo it "has" to be £500 or it will be an enthusiast's bit of kit

All speculation at this point in any case.
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It's the enthusiast that they are aiming at.

Valve have made it very clear that the Frame is a Premium VR headset. I would be shocked if it's anything close to £500.
 
melmac said:
Well, they might not, They didn't reduce the price of the Valve Index in 6 years. They were still selling it at full price the week they discontinued it.
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Oh yeah. What I meant was equivalent hardware dropping to that price point.
 
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