Caporegime
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Dude, that's just *wrong*
Steam Machine
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It's hard to build something that low spec
Prebuilt you can get a minisforum atom man g1 pro with 32gb, 5060, 1Tb for admittedly a £100 more that top spec steam machine but it is a lot more power, has good DLSS etc
A 5050/5060 laptop is sub 1k, it would do more for you.
if you wanted to do it itx you could do it with a cheap itx case and any old chip and board most on sale are better than what is in Steam machine
You could go left field and buy a Onexplayer 3 8.8 inch handheld gaming machine basically a Legion Go 2 but better running the Intel G3 chip with B390 for same dough, same performance but in your hand.
So more machine options than this little Steam box, I do find the box cool but I have so many Strix Halo machines that would run Steam OS far better it'd be a waste.
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I’ve been trying to spec a decent itx build on and off for the last month wanting something to go under the tv and be used like a console.if you wanted to do it itx you could do it with a cheap itx case and any old chip and board most on sale are better than what is in Steam machine
It isn’t as easy as you think. Even if you go older and ddr4 ram you then lose pcie4 nvme without expensive mobos. If you want it to be same specs the ram makes it difficult. I can live with it being a bit bigger that the tiny steam machine but it any cheap itx cases are horrible
Everyone keeps saying “you can easy beat that spec for less money” but never back it up. Gamers nexus compared it to the hp omen which is more expensive and about 8 times the size. That minisforum sff you mentioned is more expensive too
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I wonder what it would cost if they sold it without the RAM and SSD. ive not been in the market for one, but i have some DDR5 SODIMM (it is being used, but still) and some M.2 drives that would do the job. Its a lot less "console like" if it comes with bits missing, so i can see why they wouldnt do it.
You are not trying hard enough, and really what is pretty about the steam machine, it is just a box, its like any other box, box shaped and boxy.
300quid GPU (9060xt, could go cheaper)
200 mobo CPU cooler (many routes to this with a gen 5 x16 slot)
170 SODIMM DDR5 RAM, with be slightly cheaper if normal.
60-100 jonsbo or antec case
100 PSU, if you need sfx, if normal £50.
Yes the Minis forum stuff has a marginal bump more ~10% but you are getting superior hardware that is not already 5yrs old, I was running that GPU years ago, it was great back then, now with its poor
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Soldato
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Abominable Intelligence is having a very negative impact on the gaming world at the moment.
~400 this would have been a cool device.
~400 this would have been a cool device.
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Steam Machine with tiny 512GB SSD, Radeon 7600M Mobile GPU and CPU matched peformance as Ryzen Z1 handheld CPU for £879? LOL 
You can get desktop or laptop PC with bigger 1TB SSD that is twice the size of storage, more powerful RTX 5060 GPU that is 2 times faster than Radeon 7600M Mobile GPU in games benchmarks and much faster CPU for similar price.
£879.95 laptop
£899.99 desktop PC
You can get desktop or laptop PC with bigger 1TB SSD that is twice the size of storage, more powerful RTX 5060 GPU that is 2 times faster than Radeon 7600M Mobile GPU in games benchmarks and much faster CPU for similar price.
£879.95 laptop
£899.99 desktop PC
Build that instead, will destroy the machine.
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It's hard to build something that low spec
Prebuilt you can get a minisforum atom man g1 pro with 32gb, 5060, 1Tb for admittedly a £100 more that top spec steam machine but it is a lot more power, has good DLSS etc
A 5050/5060 laptop is sub 1k, it would do more for you.
if you wanted to do it itx you could do it with a cheap itx case and any old chip and board most on sale are better than what is in Steam machine
You could go left field and buy a Onexplayer 3 8.8 inch handheld gaming machine basically a Legion Go 2 but better running the Intel G3 chip with B390 for same dough, same performance but in your hand.
So more machine options than this little Steam box, I do find the box cool but I have so many Strix Halo machines that would run Steam OS far better it'd be a waste.
Its missing the point though isn't it, the Box isn't for PC building enthusiasts its for casuals who are curious about PC gaming but default to consoles for ease of use etc. Its a console equivalent for PC gaming that doesn't require an Xbox online subscription and Steam games that will play on the Box but also they can use if they go the whole hog and get a "proper" gaming PC in the future. "I bought a game for Xbox, what do you mean I can't use it on a PC I have to pay for it again?! And I can't even use the savegames in a PC? That sux!!"
Its an entry level entry into PC gaming and obviously ties users into the Steam environment. Its just a shame Ram prices have sunk it no wonder they took so long til releasing it they probably decided they couldn't hold on any longer that component prices weren't dropping anytime soon.
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That's kind of missing the point too because what person who wants to get a steam machine and then try and figure out what version of proton works properly with X new game, it is not really a console experience, what do you mean I can't play the newly released game that everyone is playing, those people are much better off with a Console, or a windows PC, contrary to internet hyperbole, typically a new windows machine just works, and works well, and it will be cheaper than the Steam things for more power as detail above.
Blimey building and setting up a PC these days is easier than building Ikea furniture.
Blimey building and setting up a PC these days is easier than building Ikea furniture.
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It requires to be online and a steam account.
It's not that simple as a console either the Gaming Nexus video does well to cover the issues with SteamOS.
Not all games work on this unit.
Entry level system at a high price tag that is what people have issue with Value are greedy this should be about £600 with the controller. (They have even owned it they want to make profit)
It would still be over priced they have said it themselves they want to make profit and came out with bunch of excuses.
I said it before they are greedy which is something people should have known anyway based of have there other products and steam it self takes big %
PS5 Pro would cost more to produce over this steam machine and Sony are not subsidizing the hardware on that but these Value guys are trying to claim they do (Consoles have not done that since XB360 era apart from XB1 launch console did cover cost of Kinect but the console itself they made money on which is another reason it was dropped quickly)
I think everyone really wanted this to make sense, but the only thing it really has going for it is the form factor. Everything else is just way too compromised.
The fact they're upselling you nearly £300 for a 2tb SSD, when you can get one for around £200 and still have the 512gb the base Steam Machine comes with is telling. They're not just passing on the inflated memory/storage costs.
It really needed to be a similar price to a PS5. The fact that it's over £300 more without a controller and less storage is disappointing.
It's only going to get dramatically less appealing when the next gen consoles come out as well.
The fact they're upselling you nearly £300 for a 2tb SSD, when you can get one for around £200 and still have the 512gb the base Steam Machine comes with is telling. They're not just passing on the inflated memory/storage costs.
It really needed to be a similar price to a PS5. The fact that it's over £300 more without a controller and less storage is disappointing.
It's only going to get dramatically less appealing when the next gen consoles come out as well.
What? So you’re genuinely going to pretend there wouldn’t be a seriously significant price drop by offering a steam machine without RAM and NVME.
Of course there would, even if they keep their profit margin it would be a gigantic reduction in price. You might want to check how much those components cost for this point to make any sense.
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Soldato
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Let's not forget economies of scale working for Sony here along with their ability to plan far in advance. They will have secured components at a much lower price than Valve possibly could have. We're talking tens of millions of PlayStations versus tens of thousands of Steam Machines.