Steam prices! Grey key sites! and the I love/hate developers thread - Enter if you dare!

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This has the potential to be a great debate but unfortunately seems to be turning into a one man Scottish independence thread all over again :p
 
neoboy said:
This has the potential to be a great debate but unfortunately seems to be turning into a one man Scottish independence thread all over again :p
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Because of the strawmen that everybody is so keen to bring to these discussions. You say one thing, then somebody refutes it by arguing against something /totally/ different.

"You don't like grey market sites? You think everybody should pay £50 for a game, then? That's stupid!"

And round and round we go.
 
FoxEye said:
For the last time. I did not say people should pay full Steam price. I even said I didn't pay full Steam price. Soooooo many times, now.

That you KEEP SAYING THIS OVER AND OVER IS ****** ME OFF.
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So whats your point?????????

The key sellers I use are legal, bought in the EU, not stolen, either I use them or I buy at full steam price.

IT MIGHT BE ******** YOU OFF but please try and at least present a valid point, otherwise I'm just going to assume you were just trying to troll the deals thread for something to do/argue with.

You pay full price or have to use key sites, you said ban key sites from being mentioned. Explain.
 
Columbo said:
Er, you sure about that?
How about spinning it reverse where people have paid full price for AAA and got utter dross. To name few:

Batman AK - Broken
Battleforce - No content
Hardline - Total crap
MGSV - Not finished
BF4 - Utter cack on launch
AC Unity - Bug ridden hell
Watchdogs - Just didn't work
Sim City - Couldn't play it

Its little wonder people don't want to gamble (and it literally is like taking you cash to the bookies) their hard earned when half the time they don't know whether they are getting a finished or even usable product.
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Exactly. I've only used key sites for 2 games so far, SWBF (utterly terrible and not worth £20 let alone 60) and R6 siege (worth a buy at 25 definitely, not the 50 they were asking).
 
Boycey0211 said:
So whats your point?????????

The key sellers I use are legal, bought in the EU, not stolen, either I use them or I buy at full steam price.
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So you didn't actually read my posts then. Good to know.

Option 1. Authorised resellers. GreenMan, GetGamesGo, ShopTo, etc, etc. All cheaper than steam (by 25%-50% typically), buy their keys direct from devs/pubs and all keys intended for UK market.

Option 2. Wait (typically a couple months) for Steam any sale. Get games cheap. Doesn't disrupt Indian/Chinese/Ukranian market.

Option 3. But a promo code from a GFX card. Product was sold in the UK market so is totally legit, even if discounted.

e: Steam is almost always (outside of a sale) the most expensive place to buy from, even when comparing legit UK resellers only. You don't need to always refer to Steam prices when having this discussion.
 
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FoxEye said:
nV codes are a legit source. That's the point. They aren't grey market. They are discounted... we assume. We don't know how much nV paid for them, but we assume they are discounted. But they are legit.
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This is from AMD website... you're not meant to buy or sell these codes.
Sales of Key Codes from a participant to another party are prohibited, and may void the Key Codes and/or the Participant's
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nvidia website..not the same game but we can assume the same rules apply.
Offer may not be substituted, exchanged, sold or redeemed for cash or other goods or services.
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FoxEye said:
So you didn't actually read my posts then. Good to know.

Option 1. Authorised resellers. GreenMan, GetGamesGo, ShopTo, etc, etc. All cheaper than steam (by 25%-50% typically), buy their keys direct from devs/pubs and all keys intended for UK market.

Option 2. Wait (typically a couple months) for Steam sale. Get games cheap. Doesn't disrupt Indian/Chinese/Ukranian market.

Option 3. But a promo code from a GFX card. Product was sold in the UK market so is totally legit, even if discounted.
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I did read, I'll atleast give you the credit you ignore my posts.

Option 1: Yep, fine, where do you think they get their keys from? It isnt UK sources I bet, they don't even declare where theyre located so how do you think theyre getting these savings?

It’s important to us that our customers trust us to provide them with official, publisher-endorsed games at competitive prices. Being official means that our customers have the reassurance that our dedicated Customer Service team can sort out any issues they might have directly with the publisher, that purchased games will work, and importantly, that the correct version of a game will activate in a customer’s region as it is supplied by direct from the publisher.
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So GMG are exactly the same as CJS then, excellent.

2. Wait. Yeah thats fine, I'll wait 4-5 months and spend £15, or I buy now and spend £20 on an RU key, guess I'm screwing the devs by paying the same amount 5 months earlier!!

3. Your own justification. Yep, people do it, you did it. In my books theres nothing wrong with that, unless you moan about other people getting cheaper games and get caught out. Then it just looks stupid.

At least CJS is legal, unlike trading promotional codes :p
 
Boycey0211 said:
I did read, I'll atleast give you the credit you ignore my posts.

Option 1: Yep, fine, where do you think they get their keys from? It isnt UK sources I bet, they don't even declare where theyre located so how do you think theyre getting these savings?

So GMG are exactly the same as CJS then, excellent.
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Educate yourself on what an authorised reseller is, and where they get their keys. Then come back. I'm not saying any more to you until you do.
 
Amnesia said:
was the guy you purchased the code from an authorised seller ?
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Depends who you ask.

A. Grey Market Seller: paid non-UK price (India/China likely), legal to sell code
B. Auth reseller: paid UK price, legal to sell code
C. GFX code: paid UK price for GFX card, legal to sell code*

*Yes it is, even if the EULA says it isn't.

Steam is just an auth reseller who charge X amount more than other auth resellers. Probably because they can afford to. After all, they still take a cut even from other auth resellers, so any codes they sell direct are just icing on the cake. Doesn't matter if they sell fewer.
 
FoxEye said:
Depends who you ask.
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Amnesia said:
This is from AMD website... you're not meant to buy or sell these codes.
Sales of Key Codes from a participant to another party are prohibited, and may void the Key Codes and/or the Participant's
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nvidia website..not the same game but we can assume the same rules apply.
Offer may not be substituted, exchanged, sold or redeemed for cash or other goods or services.
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Armadillo said:
GMG don't get all their keys from "authorised" sources.

Look at witcher 3. They pulled there keys from an "unknown" source or so CD Projekt claimed.
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That muddies the water, then. They've always been on my (Reddit's) list of auth resellers, and they state on their web page that they buy codes direct from the devs. If they don't, that just makes the liars.

But it doesn't change the principle that auth resellers buy their codes direct from the devs at agreed prices for the regions they operate in, whereas grey market sites get most of their codes from opening boxed products in 3rd world countries.
 
FoxEye said:
Nah, I answered you. Not only is it legal to sell the code (albeit against EULA), the code was purchased in the UK at UK prices.

What about that is factually incorrect?
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So somebody gets a code from nvidia and sells it directly to you and thats fine even thought it states on nvidias site that you are not meant to.

somebody gets a code from nvidia and sells it through G2A and all of a sudden you have an issue with it.

ok.


btw the price nvida paid is to ship it with their products...not to sell the games.
 
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