pinkaardvark said:
Can you get 20l for £1???
If so it would be worth chucking in 20 or 40l of new oil, and topping up the other 20l with normal diesel, full tank for £22ish and a good mix so no problems with viscocity or anything too??
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Can you get 20l for £1???
If so it would be worth chucking in 20 or 40l of new oil, and topping up the other 20l with normal diesel, full tank for £22ish and a good mix so no problems with viscocity or anything too??
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Excellent stuff! My next generation pulsejets are running on cooking oil. They start on propane and switch over to fresh cooking oil.
Put into perspective 5Kg of propane is £10, 5 litres of petrol/diesel is £4.50, 5 litres of veg oil is £1.50-£2 and it consumes that much in 3 to 4 minutes.
I keep meaning to see what happens if you run 10% oil in with petrol. Apparently it is too low concentration to foul the engine up or increase the viscosity and it runs as normal.
Put into perspective 5Kg of propane is £10, 5 litres of petrol/diesel is £4.50, 5 litres of veg oil is £1.50-£2 and it consumes that much in 3 to 4 minutes.
I keep meaning to see what happens if you run 10% oil in with petrol. Apparently it is too low concentration to foul the engine up or increase the viscosity and it runs as normal.
This REALLY cannot be stressed enough.SB118 said:
If you're contemplating this in any way and need to find out if its financially viable for you, factor the tax in. You HAVE to do this. It isn't an option to evade it, because the penalties vastly outweigh the monetary loss through tax.
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Sorry for being scynical, but how would they know. Would a policeman in a car be able to tell, and how would the customs find out as well. You buy veg oil in a supermarket, and maybe a total grease monkey and love chips.
very interesting read, hope you reap the benefits.
I can picture it now, someone pulled at the side of the road, with a policeman on one knee sniffing your exhaust. If you had not, mentioned the duty factor I would never have known. At the end of the day they dont tax on veg oil in the supermarket, so why would you think it would be taxed if you added it to your tank? Might be a new MOT test before long?
very interesting read, hope you reap the benefits.
I can picture it now, someone pulled at the side of the road, with a policeman on one knee sniffing your exhaust. If you had not, mentioned the duty factor I would never have known. At the end of the day they dont tax on veg oil in the supermarket, so why would you think it would be taxed if you added it to your tank? Might be a new MOT test before long?
thepharcyde said:
The smell is very noticable, it's a sweet "chipshop" type of smell (though admitedly the stuff i got from KFC smelt of chicken for some reason
), the policeman wouldn't need to sniff your exhaust to know you use organic fuel, you'd just need to drive passed him/her.Veg oil is taxed at the supermarket on the basis as a foodstuff, only once you put it in your tank it becomes liable for fuel duty too.
I've had my tank dipped more than once driving around town (my granddad lives 200m from the DoT test center in Plymouth and i occasionally get waived in when they are doing spot checks), if you're running non duty paid fuel in a road vehicle, you are in the kaka, "It couldn't be worse if it was raining *********"
thepharcyde said:
It smells different. When I had Toyota Hilux Surf we used to run it on 80/20 mixture of veg oil and diesel for few months. On some point we got stopped by bored copper on motorbike while stuck at Blackwall Tunnel Approach in rush hour. The copper stopped us because the car had tinted front side windows (factory tinted, but they should have been removed when vehicle was imported from Japan to be ok with UK regulations), however, as he blinked the lights and whined the siren to stop us (not that we weren't in static traffic anyway) he parked his bike behind our car, removed his helmet and instead of enquiring about the windows his first question was "your truck's exhaust smells like fish and chips, what do you run it on, SVO?". If I had no relevant paperwork in my bag I have no doubt we would have to walk to Kent "zu fuss".
They've seen it all mate and as far as I know some of them even carry fuel testers to check for red diesel.
Furthermore, find out where the chippys buy it wholesale - I can virtually guarentee they pay less than 43p/l
Buy it wholesale, as it's for a works van, claim back the VAT, pay the fuel duty...would probably work out at about 50-60p/litre and you wouldn't have to filter anything.
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Buy it wholesale, as it's for a works van, claim back the VAT, pay the fuel duty...would probably work out at about 50-60p/litre and you wouldn't have to filter anything.
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I dont think there is duty on the oil as a food stuff and vat isnt charged for food anyway unless its a luxury item like sweets or cake. They put a star on your supermarket till receipt next to items which pay vat tax (sometimes)
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I presume that the local chippy has to pay to dispose of their waste oil? I suspect that if you ask them they will give you the waste for free.
My big gripe with all this is that the majority of diesels pumps are selling fossil fues derived diesel. If the enviromentally friendly, carbon neutral veggie, cheep alternative is as good or better than the stuff from the north sea why aren't all the trucks / busses / trains / power plats etc buring the bio diesel?
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My big gripe with all this is that the majority of diesels pumps are selling fossil fues derived diesel. If the enviromentally friendly, carbon neutral veggie, cheep alternative is as good or better than the stuff from the north sea why aren't all the trucks / busses / trains / power plats etc buring the bio diesel?
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happytechie said:
I know one or two chippys that actually sell their waste on to bulk buyers, who then sell it on to fuel makers, which partially defeats the idea of cheap fuel.
As for not selling much organic fuel at the pumps, i'm sure the big buck oil companies have nothing to do with it ....
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Spose best way is to stick in a mix for long MW journeys and sod the taxman and just make sure its only regular pump diesel around town etc. But you are correct, dont mess with HMRC+E or any royal body. Rapist gets 10-15 out in 8, rob the mail train and get 60 without parole......says it all
Ultra_Extreme said:
Heh, by the time you read this, C&R have your ip addy, isp account details, home address, reg number, credit card number, eye colour and inside leg.
Feel free to run with non-duty paid fuel
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