Step 1 of running my diesel for nearly nothing

Ultra_Extreme · 22 Nov 2005 at 15:03

lol, i run a petrol so im stuck with duty paid

atpbx · 22 Nov 2005 at 18:20

penski said:
Furthermore, find out where the chippys buy it wholesale - I can virtually guarentee they pay less than 43p/l

Buy it wholesale, as it's for a works van, claim back the VAT, pay the fuel duty...would probably work out at about 50-60p/litre and you wouldn't have to filter anything.

*n

Anglian oils sell recycled and de acidified and filtered waste oil for 15p per litre on 1000 litre pallets.
you can also buy 1000 litre pallets of premanufactured bio diesel for 95p per litre from a load of loony hippies off ter interweb.

SB118 · 22 Nov 2005 at 18:52

atpbx said:
...you can also buy 1000 litre pallets of premanufactured bio diesel for 95p per litre from a load of loony hippies off ter interweb.

Linky

Ultra_Extreme · 22 Nov 2005 at 18:55

95p? whats the point then?

happytechie · 22 Nov 2005 at 19:36

Ultra_Extreme said:
95p? whats the point then?

It's a renewable, low enviromental impact, carbon neutral fuel to be run in near enough standard engines. Lot's of people are willing to pay a little extra to reduce their impact on our delicate enviroment.

Put it this way, I will be speaking to my local chippy and buying an oil burner next time round. This biodiesel /veg oil fuel idea seems so obvious, we need to get more cars running it.

HT

geiger · 22 Nov 2005 at 20:01

SB118 said:
Heh, by the time you read this, C&R have your ip addy, isp account details, home address, reg number, credit card number, eye colour and inside leg.

Feel free to run with non-duty paid fuel

"I know what you're thinking, did we clamp and crush 6 cars or was it only 5? Do ya feel lucky punk? Well do ya?"

Ive read they have no need for search warrants just a suspicion and they kick your door in. They have the authority to command the police and army if they require. Just look at what they do if you buy too many cigs over in france, take your car and everything you brought and auction it or crush it for unpaid taxes and that is just on suspicion of evasion of duty

subxero · 22 Nov 2005 at 20:38

I happen to know that Asda run some of their trucks on Bio Diesel, the fat that is collected from stores is collected, purified, etc and then used in some of the trucks

With it being a business I have no doubt that they will be filling out forms to the tax man

Makes good business sense to do so though

Ultra_Extreme · 22 Nov 2005 at 20:45

geiger said:
Ive read they have no need for search warrants just a suspicion and they kick your door in. They have the authority to command the police and army if they require. Just look at what they do if you buy too many cigs over in france, take your car and everything you brought and auction it or crush it for unpaid taxes and that is just on suspicion of evasion of duty

Whilst i agree that they have a lot of power. They still have to follow the law like any other body, they just may have certain extra powers such as the ability to get fast warrants etc

Ultra_Extreme · 22 Nov 2005 at 20:51

The point is how easily can u do it?

if you have:
Access to lots of oil
Space to set up a filter system
Vehicle set up to use it reliably and easily
Time to monitor and run it.

Its like homebrew alcohol, we can all make it, its perfectly drinkable, for various reasons its often better than the shop bought stuff. Yet we all still go to the pub and stop off at the offie, some things just are the way they are.

SB118 · 22 Nov 2005 at 21:11

Ultra_Extreme said:
The point is how easily can u do it?

if you have:
Access to lots of oil
Space to set up a filter system
Vehicle set up to use it reliably and easily
Time to monitor and run it.

Geting oil is easy enough, take to a few takeaways and collect from them once a week.
Space is dependant on how much oil you've got hold of, you need to leave it to settle so the water can drop out. Filtering doesn't need much room, my setup is just disorganised

If you pick the right vehicle, you don't need any alterations. Else a few hundred quids worth of bits can sort you out.
Time is the killer, waiting for the stuff to settle, drawing off the good oil, filtering. Finding the oil STILL has water in it, repeat.

SB118 · 5 Dec 2005 at 10:48

Got hold of some new filters last week, bucket type, 600micron rated to start with. Pour a load of used oil in, then leave for roughly 12 - 18 hours to settle. (cold filtering takes ages, but does improve the quality of fuel for cold weather usage)

Sort of puts you off going to the chippy though ..

New bigger pump, and a better final settling tank.

Bigger tank with a high placed outlet (tried 1/2", flow was pap, went up to 1" pipe), means that any free water that get's into the system should drop out before it gets into the filtration side of things.

deano · 5 Dec 2005 at 11:23

atpbx said:
Anglian oils sell recycled and de acidified and filtered waste oil for 15p per litre on 1000 litre pallets.
you can also buy 1000 litre pallets of premanufactured bio diesel for 95p per litre from a load of loony hippies off ter interweb.

Hi
how did i miss this thread :eek:

have just started running our xantias on biodiesel ( Hdi and Xud ) i buy it from a failry local producer at 82p a litre

currently weening the xud onto it seems very good so far better for the engine and the enviroment

also i'm sure the car runs better on the stuff as well, currently using a B30 blend but will be increasing this as time goes on to B80.

Have found that storing it in the shed in the cold weather don't do it much good, has formed crstals, so have brought it inside now and seems to be ok.

cheers
deano

SB118 · 5 Dec 2005 at 11:25

Store it in the shed, let the crystals form, then filter it, makes for even better cold starts.

deano · 5 Dec 2005 at 11:28

Would i need a proper filter or would a fine sieve be ok

Cheers
Deano

SB118 · 5 Dec 2005 at 11:32

you can get an inline 1 micron filter from machine mart for about 15 quid, you can either gravity filter it, or pump it through. Gravity is for free

deano · 5 Dec 2005 at 11:50

ok, cheers for that i'll check it out, do you think it would still be best to filter it even with it being in the house.

Cheers
Deano

SB118 · 5 Dec 2005 at 12:06

If it's properly processed it shouldn't have anything left to filter, but cold filtering (outside) will get rid of anything that settles out in low temperatures (depending on fedstock used to make the BioD, the gelpoint can be very different)

SB118 · 5 Dec 2005 at 20:22

Toy time

woohoo, been playing with the blowtorch today, managed to knock up my first heat exchanger

(and i'd like to go on record and say that salt is an absolute ##### to rinse out!)

The oil coil, fuel flows from the tank to the filter & pump, through the coil, which is wrapped around this ...

the 15mm stubs are the feed for the coolant system, just needs fitting in between the waterpump and interior heater matrix. I used 22mm tube for the body, to carry plenty of water (water = heat) The other 8mm tube running the length of the heater is to heat the return fuel line (the fuel pump always pushes more fuel than you need), so you can heat the fuel that is sat in the tank.

It's not pretty, but it leak tested ok, need to clean it up tomorrow, then pile on the solder.

Yes, it's chuffing huge, i had to borrow a pipe cutter a few days ago and i chopped the 22mm pipe to the wrong length, oops! On the other hand, it's not like i'm pushed for space under the bonet of a transit

s0ck · 6 Dec 2005 at 00:44

I'm beginning to wonder how much work it would be to hack a Bosch pump onto the 306

172gus · 6 Dec 2005 at 01:14

SB118, could you not put the heat exchanger into the oil rather than round the pipe. Just thinking it would have more effect. Kind of like a coil in a kettle.