No, I mean now. Even when Ryzen was released there were plenty of people saying an i7-7700K is a better buy. I don't think those people are thinking long term enough about the market.
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Stop Overclocking.... really?!
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Caporegime
If the HS is sitting on the Glue rather than on the PCB that just shoddy workmanship, which is worse than using crap TIM instead of solder.
It's all getting to be of a bit sad, tiresome debate.
Buy the best you can afford for your intended usage depending on what's available at the time.
I have no brand loyalty, they are all big companies with shareholders to please. I've owned AMD and Intel CPU's and AMD and nvidia graphics cards.
I base purchases on price and whether the hardware can do what I want to achieve, that's all.
Edit, That said, I am pleased AMD seem to be back at the table competing with Intel, a monopoly is always a bad thing.
Buy the best you can afford for your intended usage depending on what's available at the time.
I have no brand loyalty, they are all big companies with shareholders to please. I've owned AMD and Intel CPU's and AMD and nvidia graphics cards.
I base purchases on price and whether the hardware can do what I want to achieve, that's all.
Edit, That said, I am pleased AMD seem to be back at the table competing with Intel, a monopoly is always a bad thing.
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seems to vary by where the chip is manufactured, think mine has Malaysia on it but seems fine, could have been a process issue at one of their plants?
but to be fair, under normal conditions (without overclocking) it runs at the stock 4.5ghz without issue. and most chips can easily do 4.8-4.9ghz with a half decent aio/tower cooler.
another point is that even 70-80c temps are FINE on kabylake, tj Maxx is 100c, so Intel (the company that knows far more about these cpus than you or i) have said you can run these at 99c for years and it's perfectly safe and what they are designed for.
unless you're going for the top 1% overclocking records running it at a much lower temp literally does nothing at all.
I just got a 7700k, it seemed a better by over ryzen because it has superior gaming performance, why should I have bought amd, which offers less performance?
Caporegime
The point is instead of Intel addressing the complaint they are sidestepping it by quoting warranty......
As enthusiasts on an overclockers forum why so defensive over Intel? is it any wonder Intel use a cheap solution for connecting the HS to the DIE cap? it doesn't matter does it? an army of Intel apologists will run to their defence....
Please stop it. it gives Intel carte-blanche
As enthusiasts on an overclockers forum why so defensive over Intel? is it any wonder Intel use a cheap solution for connecting the HS to the DIE cap? it doesn't matter does it? an army of Intel apologists will run to their defence....
Please stop it. it gives Intel carte-blanche
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Maybe you shouldn't have. I just wonder what that extra 5 FPS you get is worth the extra money, the dead end platform that means you'll have to pay Intel for a new platform in a couple of years. But more broadly, supporting Intel right now, who have had a near-monopoly for nearly a decade, when AMD is actually finally competitive only makes the market worse for you in the future. In 5 years the new CPU you might buy could be 30% better than your i7-7700K, sure, but if competition was really heated up, Intel might be kicked into gear and offer much better products for you at that time.
It's all speculative of course but it's pretty obvious that competition helps consumers generally.
Amd say the same thing about warranty if you care to read the small print, if Intel or amd could be confident saying our 4ghz chip can run at 5ghz all day long at max load, then they'd sell them as 5ghz chips.
There's a million different hardware configurations to consider and many more end users who will push the envelope and push for a little bit more OC and a little bit more temperature etc, the manufacturer isn't going to warranty all of these scenarios so they set a bar, and beyond that, you're outside warranty.
There's a million different hardware configurations to consider and many more end users who will push the envelope and push for a little bit more OC and a little bit more temperature etc, the manufacturer isn't going to warranty all of these scenarios so they set a bar, and beyond that, you're outside warranty.
Not necessarily, you have to consider volume, market forces, TDP, etc. Even if 99% of i7-7700Ks could run at 4.8 GHz on stock voltage, that still isn't good enough, they need 99.999% really, that's why essentially every CPU and GPU can be undervolted.
in the games I play, and titles I'm currently on my 'to play' steam library, it's about 20-40 fps difference, which is fairly significant to me.
z270 platform still has coffeelake to come out, do the platform certainly isn't dead?
because the comment is just a basic reply from a rep on a forum.
simple really, Intel has no idea on every single person's cooling solution, I mean for all they know half the people complaining are using a 10 year old basic tower cooler covered in dust.
how exactly is Intel supposed to respond when people are basically saying "you have no idea what our cooling solutions are, you have no idea what voltage we are running at or clock speeds, but tell us why our cpu temps are high"
all Intel responded with is a simple blanket response of, overclocking/overvolting increases temperatures, if you're having issues with temps, maybe don't overclock ?
Well great, but for gaming, amd CPU's have been a dead end platform for quite some time, maybe we'll see a similar resurgence from Intel in a few years. I'd welcome it as the market needs competition..
The graphics card market is similar, if you want a high end gpu, your only option is nvidia.
The graphics card market is similar, if you want a high end gpu, your only option is nvidia.
Caporegime
This doesn't make any sense.
Intel were the ones offering performance, I could have offered AMD any amount of money and they'd have fallen short of even a 2500K.
That said, with the steps AMD have made with Ryzen in price and performance everybody should be buying where possible.
I was talking about the present, not the past. Obviously until very recently enthusiasts had no choice.
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This really isn't outrageous, people showing their naivety. Delidding will void any processors warranty, from any manufacturer. Get better cooling, no issues here running 5 to 5.2.
Recommending users stop overclocking if they're constantly complaining the CPU is running too hot is fairly self-explanatory.
Have you used AM4? Quite a contrast there, chap. That platform is quirkier than a pan of toads. Anything, by comparison, is a hiccup.
Recommending users stop overclocking if they're constantly complaining the CPU is running too hot is fairly self-explanatory.
Have you used AM4? Quite a contrast there, chap. That platform is quirkier than a pan of toads. Anything, by comparison, is a hiccup.
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Coffeelake has new platform. Z270 is dead end.
Here is the direct link to where all this has come from > https://communities.intel.com/message/471425#471425
