Stormzy Cambridge Scholorship

[LuckyBenski]

Also electricians and landscapers can charge over £150 per hour. Good luck ever earning that much with your medicine or law degree.

And yet electricians and landscapers (even very expensive ones) aren't taking home more annual money than GPs or lawyers. Maybe something to do with hourly rate not equating to a salary? Or trades/self employment having extra costs rolled into the hourly rate?

Not very relevant to this thread topic anyway, why not start your own thread about how doctors should retrain or something.

Unemployed man with 3rd class degree from ex polytechnic lectures people online about value of degrees

ftfy.

 

[malachi]

Just finished reading this book https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/17381193-enjoy-the-decline as I see this guy sometimes on YouTube.

Written about the US but as the UK is basically a mirror image of the US anyway, many of the stuff in this book applies.

The interesting part was about degrees and their value, people having them and doing the same job they could have done without the degree but now in debt to the government. So I have the agree with what @BallistixOnZ490 is saying. Many degrees are worthless but its a good way to keep people filling the back pocket of the government.

Education is now a business, not about the progression of the individual in the education system. That's why we have so many "Mickey Mouse Degrees." With no value.

As I mentioned before in another thread, seeing cleaning jobs requiring a degree. Well, it make sense when all of the cleaners in my last job were Polish with a degrees.

 

[Deleted User 298457]

Just finished reading this book https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/17381193-enjoy-the-decline as I see this guy sometimes on YouTube.

Written about the US but as the UK is basically a mirror image of the US anyway, many of the stuff in this book applies.

The interesting part was about degrees and their value, people having them and doing the same job they could have done without the degree but now in debt to the government. So I have the agree with what @BallistixOnZ490 is saying. Many degrees are worthless but its a good way to keep people filling the back pocket of the government.

Education is now a business, not about the progression of the individual in the education system. That's why we have so many "Mickey Mouse Degrees." With no value.

As I mentioned before in another thread, seeing cleaning jobs requiring a degree. Well, it make sense when all of the cleaners in my last job were Polish with a degrees.

You agree that all degrees are pointless and that doctors don't need to go to medical school to become doctors, and that they shouldn't become doctors anyway because plumbers earn £150 an hour?

 

[Jean-F]

A friend of mine went there and loved it, granted this was in the 00s so things might have changed. IIRC back then it was up there with Warwick as one of the best not-Oxbridge/not-London universities.

It's not a Red Brick but is a relatively modern university (like Warick is too) but still competitive, it's also part of the Russell group.



The dual honours courses they offer: BSc Economics and Mathematics or BSc Economics and Econometrics might be better (if he's got the aptitude/interest in maths/stats).

Can often switch courses in freshers week, or for the latter course, it looks like the first year is basically the same for BSc Economics as it is for BSc Economics and Econometrics so could probs switch at the end of the first year if he chose to.



Can be, depends how much maths/stats/econometrics they include in the course IMO. If plenty then it can be like taking a STEM degree, keeps open a few more career options etc.. Having a good stats background is increasingly in demand these days.

Thanks dowie, your input has been much appreciated, I’ll pass this along to my grandson and his dad, (my son), and it should give them some insight in what to possibly expect, he has been offered a place at York, but is yet to commit.
If nothing else, observing all the soi disant educated guys on here argue the toss about degrees or no degrees has been educational in itself

 

[Fubsy]

There are degrees that give the required knowledge and skills to succeed in a role (STEM for example), then there are "ahh, that's interesting" degrees that don't really equip you for the workplace.

I've got nothing but GCSEs (**** ones at that, whole other story) but work alongside people that have Masters and PHDs. I've learnt how to do multiple roles over the years, I clearly have the aptitude to do it in the work place, but do not have the requirements to study and sit exams. Just like me, I'm sure there are people that live and breathe the academic rollercoaster, but sit them in an office, site or warehouse they crumble the same I would in an exam hall. We are all individuals, with differences that have a real world effect. One size fits all is equal, but also highly discriminatory on needs, interest and preference - so I'm thrilled to see that kids these days have all sorts of routes available after secondary school, when I was leaving it was college->uni->graduate scheme or you're a failure in the eyes of peers, teachers and the government of the day. That feeling of uselessness affected me in a particularly dark way at the time.

 

[malachi]

You agree that all degrees are pointless and that doctors don't need to go to medical school to become doctors, and that they shouldn't become doctors anyway because plumbers earn £150 an hour?

Where did I say in my post ALL degrees are worthless?

 

[Deleted User 298457]

Where did I say in my post ALL degrees are worthless?

When you made this dangerous comment:
" So I have the agree with what @BallistixOnZ490 is saying."

 

[malachi]

When you made this dangerous comment:
" So I have the agree with what @BallistixOnZ490 is saying."

Dangerous comment, erm...ok! You should step away from the keyboard!

And what did say straight after?!?! I dont see the word "all" in there!?!?!? Come on man!!!! Im sure you can read, cant you?!?!

There are degrees that give the required knowledge and skills to succeed in a role (STEM for example), then there are "ahh, that's interesting" degrees that don't really equip you for the workplace.

I've got nothing but GCSEs (**** ones at that, whole other story) but work alongside people that have Masters and PHDs. I've learnt how to do multiple roles over the years, I clearly have the aptitude to do it in the work place, but do not have the requirements to study and sit exams. Just like me, I'm sure there are people that live and breathe the academic rollercoaster, but sit them in an office, site or warehouse they crumble the same I would in an exam hall. We are all individuals, with differences that have a real world effect. One size fits all is equal, but also highly discriminatory on needs, interest and preference - so I'm thrilled to see that kids these days have all sorts of routes available after secondary school, when I was leaving it was college->uni->graduate scheme or you're a failure in the eyes of peers, teachers and the government of the day. That feeling of uselessness affected me in a particularly dark way at the time.

Same as me, I dont have an degree either but it never stopped me getting interviews for engineering roles at places such as Amazon or Microsoft. Where you could argue you need a degree for.

 

[Deleted User 298457]

Dangerous comment, erm...ok! You should step away from the keyboard!

And what did say straight after?!?! I dont see the word "all" in there!?!?!?



Same as me, I dont have an degree either but it never stopped me getting interviews for engineering roles at places such as Amazon or Microsoft. Where you could argue you need a degree for.

I assume you say you agree with people to fit in then - as clearly you have no idea what you agreed with

 

[malachi]

I assume you say you agree with people to fit in then - as clearly you have no idea what you agreed with

Yes, you are right and I am wrong......Do you feel better now!?!

 

[EdGey]

Sure you could deem it racist, but once you get over that you'd see that it doesn't really harm anyone and promotes something we should all be supporting.

Completely disagree. It promotes racism and is deliberately provocative to push boundaries. We should all be supporting racial preference? I don't think so.

This is exactly the kind of thing that comes from the "positive discrimination" garbage being forced upon us from all directions. There is no such thing.

 

[Chris Wilson]

You agree that all degrees are pointless and that doctors don't need to go to medical school to become doctors, and that they shouldn't become doctors anyway because plumbers earn £150 an hour?

I have no problem getting a plumber, but seeing a doctor is like getting a personal audience with the Pope. Seems some professionals are more dedicated to providing a service than others, degree or not. This morning the local web site has gone afire with people venting their spleens about the drama getting to see any doctor in person still. It seems their lack of courage in this pandemic is finally bringing the criticism it so rightly deserves.

 

[Deleted member 651465]

I have no problem getting a plumber, but seeing a doctor is like getting a personal audience with the Pope. Seems some professionals are more dedicated to providing a service than others, degree or not. This morning the local web site has gone afire with people venting their spleens about the drama getting to see any doctor in person still. It seems their lack of courage in this pandemic is finally bringing the criticism it so rightly deserves.

Weird. What happened to this…

I am not sure how old you are, but have you never been taught that it's often less what you know than WHO you know? I was taught this from 12 years of age, possibly earlier, and found it very true. it's probably not PC to say such things now, hence the surprise (probably faux) when that advice transpires to be accurate.

I never went to a public school, but I have slowly made sure that I can ring a doctor, a solicitor, a barrister, a dentist, my MP, several local councillors, a vet and an "imaginative" accountant all out of office hours and call them by their first name and get basic immediate advice. I don't "use" my friendships, but I do value its potential in aiding me in life. Less high brow friends of course have their value, be it in how to catch moles, lay a hedge, or even dig an accurate and mess free hole for a gate post.

I don't know any "bloggers", pop stars, or political activists, nor the names of any well known PC gamers or their games. If I thought any of these would make useful acquaintances I am sure I could find a way into their circles, but I can't see me going out of my way there I can only envy those who were lucky enough to attend a public school, and who they have in their address books and can call friends! Most public schools now offer a number of free places each year if the fees are too great, as they are of course for many....

 

[Chris Wilson]

The friends who are doctors are miles away, one is in the USA, and I don't put upon them to give a professional opinion on every ailment I think I might have. That's what I pay the NHS for, and right now my funding is not producing the goods.

 

[dowie]

Weird. What happened to this…

That is a bit different to be fair, you might be able to call up your friends or family members for general advice but they're not going to be able to write prescriptions for you or refer you to a specialist etc.. if you're not their patient.

 

[Deleted User 298457]

Weird. What happened to this…

When humble brag goes wrong.

Also, have @Chris Wilson have you tried getting a trade recently? They're back logged for months next you'll be telling me you swanned into a dealership and bought a brand new car with no wait and no compromise on features.

 

[Roar87]

Weird. What happened to this…

call them by their first name and get basic immediate advice.

You can see why someone might be able to speak to a friend who is a Doctor and also have difficulty getting an appointment with their GP? Weird you went out of your way to quote his post but didn't read it.

 

[Deleted User 298457]

Lol at the White Knights

 

[Chris Wilson]

When humble brag goes wrong.

Also, have @Chris Wilson have you tried getting a trade recently? They're back logged for months next you'll be telling me you swanned into a dealership and bought a brand new car with no wait and no compromise on features.

I have never bought a new car and never will.

Had a plumber go out to a property of mine the other day, got my car MOT'd, went to the dentist 4 times in 2 months this last June and July, and the wife has had various tradesmen do jobs with no delay. As for GP's, some people wanted them clapped! Clapped in the nick more like, they have shown themselves totally unworthy of their now excessive wages, and short hours, when the hour of need arrived.

 

[BallistixOnZ490]

None of those apprenticeships are for Doctors - they are support roles.

They progress to doctor level with clinical science training as I already explained to you.

https://nshcs.hee.nhs.uk/programmes/stp/

The top level of clinical scientist is a 'consultant specialist' which is EXACTLY the same job as a 'doctor'. You see patients, diagnose, treat and manage their conditions in your area of specialization. The pay is exactly the same as a 'doctor', was over £60K 15 years ago when I was trying to get onto it but couldn't with a third pass. You can get onto this with any science related degree of at least a 2.1, or the equivalent prior training courses / apprenticeships that the NHS runs themselves. Literally nobody needs to study 'medicine' to become a doctor.

Dare I say becoming a 'doctor' is 100% obsolete because becoming a 'consultant specialist' is superior - same job, same pay, no student debt.

Written about the US but as the UK is basically a mirror image of the US anyway, many of the stuff in this book applies.

The interesting part was about degrees and their value, people having them and doing the same job they could have done without the degree but now in debt to the government. So I have the agree with what @BallistixOnZ490 is saying. Many degrees are worthless but its a good way to keep people filling the back pocket of the government.

Exactly this, and yes it applies to becoming a 'doctor' as well. You can get the same job and pay without any student debt through the NHS themselves and earn money every year while doing it.

'Consultant Specialist in Haematology' also simply sounds far more superior to 'Doctor', and I'm pretty sure it is because all that Doctors ever do is refer you to those specialists lol.

The only reason anyone goes to study medicine is because their parents tell them to do it anyway. Like anyone at age 16-18 has any knowledge about these things or what they want to do with the rest of their lives, which is also the reason why so many doctors simply don't care at all and are completely rubbish at their jobs.