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Hopefully the strikes will be over before our hols. However it's going to disrupt my family who are coming over to see us. 
Strikes at Gatwick
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I was actually thinking after I posted that that I used to see loads of those aluminium trolley things being pulled around airports. Haven't noticed any in recent travels though, but then I've not been looking for them so may well have missed it.
There's plenty of room underground, could easily run a baggage system further underground. Presumably though the fuel and sewage would head off in a completely different direction to baggage.
That isn't limited to other drivers, it's going to be amazing when pedestrians, especially youths, realise they'll be able to bully AI cars as they can count on the computer not being irrational and ploughing straight into them
.It'll be a sight to behold in any major city during the football season or any other big event.
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if that is true that is outrageous. isn't that below minimum wage? (and should there not be a London weighting?)
(I wonder if the people in the other thread complaining that 100k isnt a high wage can reflect on what some people in the country are expected to live on.)
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that is already happening now. in America scallies are already attacking autonomous cars and blocking off all the sensors to shut them down.That isn't limited to other drivers, it's going to be amazing when pedestrians, especially youths, realise they'll be able to bully AI cars as they can count on the computer not being irrational and ploughing straight into them
It'll be a sight to behold in any major city during the football season or any other big event.
Minimum wage is £10.42 less if you are under 23, nothing like a bit of legal but blatant age discrimination.
The voluntary London living wage is £11.95. Crawly isn’t in London though, it’s outside the M25*.
I’m not going to dignify the ‘can’t they just build Xxx’ posts with a response. They can already turn planes round in half an hour if they want to, the biggest time sinks are refuelling and the safety checks done by the ground crew and the pilots. A huge number of airports have the fuel piped to the stand, they still need a small truck to come and pump it into the plane. It’s the pumping bit that takes the time.
AI or robots are not load or unload a plane anytime soon. If you don’t understand why, I’d suggest looking into what robots are actually good at any why humans are vastly better at certain tasks. As long as their are humans involved, they can and will strike if you treat them poorly or don’t pay them enough.
*yes I know some of the area inside the M25 isn’t London. No one outside of the M25 cares, it’s London to the rest of us.
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This, small flexible squishy humans that don't need plugging in are just so much better at certain logistical tasks, and the tasks they are not went years ago and had nothing to do with AI. AI isn't going to replace the humans we need now, that would require some terminator style cyborg tech.
AI is going to replace a whole load of desk jockeys, tho. I can see there being the first completely AI controlled bank, why employ stockbrokers and mortgage advisors when AI can do it better.
Why employ Car sales people when an AI can instantly cross-reference all your information and find the perfect car to extract the maximum profit from you.
Even overclockers can get rid of their overpaid product managers. AI can source the best deals make the POs and real time set the best pricing
Let me know when AI can innovate.
Back to low pay at Gatwick, understand that there is a value to prospective employers in low paying jobs: they show you are not too proud to disdain such a job, and they show that you can hold down a job.
Back to low pay at Gatwick, understand that there is a value to prospective employers in low paying jobs: they show you are not too proud to disdain such a job, and they show that you can hold down a job.
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I think you have your wires crossed as it was not me talking about using AI
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If you make thousands of people unemployed then who won’t businesses that employ AI’s have less customers?This, small flexible squishy humans that don't need plugging in are just so much better at certain logistical tasks, and the tasks they are not went years ago and had nothing to do with AI. AI isn't going to replace the humans we need now, that would require some terminator style cyborg tech.
AI is going to replace a whole load of desk jockeys, tho. I can see there being the first completely AI controlled bank, why employ stockbrokers and mortgage advisors when AI can do it better.
Why employ Car sales people when an AI can instantly cross-reference all your information and find the perfect car to extract the maximum profit from you.
Even overclockers can get rid of their overpaid product managers. AI can source the best deals make the POs and real time set the best pricing
Where is the line drawn?
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the wage rates bit was in response to your Q.
The rest was addressing the chaff and nonsense in this thread that think AI and the robots are coming to replace manual labour which couldn’t be further from the truth. Too much nonsense to quote likewise, it’s sometimes better to not draw attention to it.
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~1000 workers striking improves the lot of 1000 workers if they can succeed.
If you can see that the pay is pitiful and the job is essential (this will be demonstrated shortly) then complaining that workers capable of jobs at the bottom of the pay grade want a slightly better deal is quite sad.
I'm not complaining that workers want a better deal. I'm suggesting they get a much better deal instead (by getting a different job which pays better).
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Yeah, who says the ones who are left aren't the ones with the least ability and this is what they have left. And striking is the only way to negotiate from a weak individual position.
If low pay is considered acceptable as a motivation to not be there then the worker that ultimately does the work is being disrespected.
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I’m getting fed up with all the strikes going on. Always holding the Joe Public at ransom. All these trade unions telling their members to strike if they don’t get what they want
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I’m getting fed up with all the strikes going on. Always holding the Joe Public at ransom. All these trade unions telling their members to strike if they don’t get what they want
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I know what you mean but OTOH everyone should be expected to get a fair days pay for a fair days work. it sounds like that is not always the case.
also... whilst I find the idea of strikes distasteful and certainly annoying..... look how much better France for the workers.
Christ their retirement age is amazing ..... and if it was not for strikes this would not be the case.
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What would happen if all the baggage handlers did go find another job? What would that do to peoples precious holidays?