Stupid Mistake!!

Gaygle said:
I have no doubt that you do. However i am guessing that they are predominantly young males, driving too quickly and/or showing off, rather than a guy letting his GF have a 2 minute go in his car at low speeds at 1am.

And...really? “He’s lucky the car wasn’t stacked” because a learner driver (who is about to take her test) was in the driver’s seat? That’s odd, because tens of thousands of people go out with parents/siblings when they are learning and the vast majority have no ill consequences? Perhaps they’re all just lucky? That’s what i was talking about when i was saying you were overreacting.

You mention the conditions – it was 1am and the OP said that there was no traffic around, which i can believe and i’m assuming the road wasn’t covered in ice and snow.

Now, just to reiterate, i’m not saying the OP’s actions were right or that he should have been let off – i was simply saying he was unfortunate and it’s a bit of a bummer. Realistically, it doesn't sound dangerous at all.
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He was very unlucky to be pulled by the Police in the first place. The odds were that he wouldn't have been bothered by anyone. But he was. These things happen and when they do you really pay the price.
 
Gaygle said:
And...really? “He’s lucky the car wasn’t stacked” because a learner driver (who is about to take her test) was in the driver’s seat? That’s odd, because tens of thousands of people go out with parents/siblings when they are learning and the vast majority have no ill consequences? Perhaps they’re all just lucky? That’s what i was talking about when i was saying you were overreacting.
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I know a "special needs" constable in Plymouth who is exactly the same; making gross exaggerations all the time and constantly needing to prove himself to other people. I've never trusted specials, the majority do it for the power trip.
 
Dogbreath said:
I know a "special needs" constable in Plymouth who is exactly the same; making gross exaggerations all the time and constantly needing to prove himself to other people. I've never trusted specials, the majority do it for the power trip.
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Ohhhhh RIMSHOT! You standing for that Burnsy :D
 
Gaygle said:
So you don't think the OP letting his GF have a quick drive in his car along a deserted back road at 1am and both him and his girlfriend getting a £200 fine + 6 points (meaning he has to retake his practical and theory test and her having to retake her theory test) is harsh? Not to mention the astronomical hike in insurance premiums for them both.
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I don't condone anyone driving without insurance, even more so if they don't have a license!

If she was that desperate to drive she could easily have been added as a 2nd driver and if the OP has been driving for longer than 3 years there would be no problem what so ever.

They knew the risks. We all know the risks, which is why we all pay for insurance.

Gaygle said:
Sure it was a silly thing to do, and it's against the law, but the amount of utter scum that drive around day after day for years uninsured/unlicenced/untaxed is amazing - and they get the exact same punishment!
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The law is the law, sure it's not fair but it is what it is.

Edit - having said that it's not fair. How could the police or anyone know whether she had been driving around like 'scum' do all the time? Why should someone get away with doing it 'just the once'?
 
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We used to do this as teens on an industrial estate as mentioned above. Never a public road. My mate got caught once and got 6 points. He was only 17 so got them doubled up...etc....you know the rest.
 
Dogbreath said:
I know a "special needs" constable in Plymouth who is exactly the same; making gross exaggerations all the time and constantly needing to prove himself to other people. I've never trusted specials, the majority do it for the power trip.
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lol i know one who fits that description entirely, he loved flashing the badge all the time.

I also know another, my best mate, who has not told a soul at work he's a special and prefers to keep it quiet so that people dont judge him.
 
Burnsy2023 said:
I won't feed the troll, but I'm sure one of the many regular officers on here can back me up. I have nothing to prove.
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For what its worth i think what you do is great mate, especially unpaid, its the other lot i cant see the point of having, what they called the community whatever they are called.
 
Gaygle said:
And...really? “He’s lucky the car wasn’t stacked” because a learner driver (who is about to take her test) was in the driver’s seat? That’s odd, because tens of thousands of people go out with parents/siblings when they are learning and the vast majority have no ill consequences? Perhaps they’re all just lucky? That’s what i was talking about when i was saying you were overreacting.
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I think I'd also like to try and clarify what I was saying. I'm not saying that every inexperienced driver will crash, just that the chances are higher and the potential consequences can be life changing from even the smallest mistake. The potential result could be so much worse even if the chances are modest.

Look at it this way, even if she went into the back of another car without any injuries, the cost of paying to repair the other car would be several hundred quid if not more.
 
MrLOL said:
lol i know one who fits that description entirely, he loved flashing the badge all the time.

I also know another, my best mate, who has not told a soul at work he's a special and prefers to keep it quiet so that people dont judge him.
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I have never 'flashed the badge' but I am proud of what I choose to do. If anyone here wants to discuss specials, I'll happily do that in GD, lets not derail this thread any further.
 
Zero tolerance on thread derails is going to get very annoying very fast.

The OP has made his post, he's been told by numerous people what the outcome is, etc etc. His question is well and truely answered. Why can't discussion move onto policing?

If you wont let us move the discussion on to any of the topics brought up as a result of the OP, then why not simply lock the thread and be done with it?

Thread drift is an important part of any half decent forum.
 
[TW]Fox;17802591 said:
Thread drift is an important part of any half decent forum.
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I agree but this is not only way off topic for this thread, but it's off topic for motors. A certain amount of drift is necessary, I agree, but this is way off topic and deserves a thread in itself if it's going to be discussed properly.

This certainly isn't zero tolerance.
 
Unlucky OP. I'm sure more people than not have done something like this on backroads/industrial estates, be it with their partners or children.

It is honestly not a good idea though as you have found out :(

I hope the court aren't too hard on you.
 
Burnsy2023 said:
I would say this is probably a likely outcome.
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Out of interest, is there little/no discretion shown with regards motoring offences these days?

Yes, I can see why OP shouldnt have let his unlicensed g/f be driving his car, and it seems as likely as not that the car will have been pulled over for going too slow as much as anything, as she will (probably) have been frightened about crashing his car.

But is this case really the same as the typical uninsured driver who just doesnt care about the system, or insurance, and already has a driving ban in place?
 
matt_fsr said:
But is this case really the same as the typical uninsured driver
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Yes, it is.

You cannot drive a car with no insurance. It really is that simple. It doesnt matter whether the guy who crashes into you has had no insurance for 10 years or 10 minutes - he has no insurance and the effect on the innocent motorist is the same.

In this case she also didn't have a license either, and he didnt have the experience to supervise her.

No way should they have been let off with a warning.
 
matt_fsr said:
Out of interest, is there little/no discretion shown with regards motoring offences these days?

Yes, I can see why OP shouldnt have let his unlicensed g/f be driving his car, and it seems as likely as not that the car will have been pulled over for going too slow as much as anything, as she will (probably) have been frightened about crashing his car.

But is this case really the same as the typical uninsured driver who just doesnt care about the system, or insurance, and already has a driving ban in place?
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When it comes to driving without insurance even an FPN is a £200 fine and 6 points (court can be a £5k fine and 6-8 points). Discretion isn't usually shown much with this offence as there really isn't any excuse for it.
 
Still wouldn't mind knowing what road it was?

I think most people have "had a little go" of a car before they have passed their test. Most don't get caught but then most never! do it on public roads, Asking for trouble. Yes I know if a road has a public access it is still the same but most industrial estates around here see little police activity on a night tbh.
 
VFM Addict said:
Tell me, Hyper, when you say you were formally interviewed was it in a PACE recording booth or did you have to sign statements?
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We were both interviewed in the police car, it seemed quite formal just confirming what had happend then we both had to sign.

It may be worth noting they said "it may end up at court" but I fully expect it to come to that because when you look at the facts it does sound very bad on paper (uninsured, no license and me not being old enough).

After having a good day of thinking about it I have just came to accept I will get atleast 6 points and a £200 fine so it looks like that test centre will not be such a thing of the past :(

Which is a big price to pay for a stupid mistake but as a few people have mentioned it could have been a lot worse and I have definatly learned from my mistake which is what punishment is all about I suppose. I best start saving now because once I get through all this my insurance is going to be pricey!

If they are in any form leniant in court then I will come out overjoyed and I will keep you all informed if you want?

Thanks for all the comments aswell :)
 
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