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I think what this all comes down is frustration from LFC fans (Because they haven't been shown concrete evidence) and fans from other teams reveling in the outcome.

It doesn't take a genius to notice that Suarez in footballing terms is a hard man to like.

For me, regardless of Suarez's culture, calling someone a racist slur (of which I believe negrioto is) has to be punished. Evra is French and plays in the English Premier league. He's more than entitled to take offense.

I genuinely believe the FA have come to the correct decision and hope if they find Terry guilty, the same punishment will bet enforced.
 
What's wrong with that?

"Ferguson confirmed he is standing by Evra and *intends to have his say on the case when the FA deliver their verdict.

He said: “There’s no doubt in my mind that something *happened at Liverpool and we are sticking by Patrice."

exactly the same as KD backing Suarez
 
as much as i dislike suarez, i can't help but feel that had this been and english player accused, the outcome would be different.

i believe i've bought this up before but remember rooney's off the ball elbow on the wigan player last year? imo it was assault and he should've been banged up but did anything even happen about it? i don't think it did and the FA couldn't have had better evidence.

then there's the FA getting his euro ban reduced and it certainly seems a little biased. i understand why the FA don't want rooney to be the bad guy and i know rooney has never been accused of racism and i know the united fans will say i'm singling out united but the truth and fact is, i can't find a better of example of what seems to me, a little biased.
 
"Ferguson confirmed he is standing by Evra and *intends to have his say on the case when the FA deliver their verdict.

He said: “There’s no doubt in my mind that something *happened at Liverpool and we are sticking by Patrice."

exactly the same as KD backing Suarez

No, he's just saying he'll stick by his player.

All he's said is that ~something happened and that he will stand by Evra. That quote doesn't show him saying that he believes Suarez to be guilty, he acknowledges something happened and announced his intention to stand by his player.

Misread the argument, thought someone was saying that Kenny had implied Evra was talking bull and that Saurez was innocent.
 
I'm no Liverpool or Suarez. I don't know what he did or didn't say but I do think the FA are being incredibly inconsistent. I mean, Shearer kicks a guy in the face and gets away with it, and they support Rooney as well....

Seems to me they've one set of rules for some people and another set for others....
 
That quote doesn't show him saying that he believes Suarez to be guilty, he acknowledges something happened and announced his intention to stand by his player.

What else could he be refering to other than the racist comment accusation, when he says there's no doubt in his mind something happened? Was he simply saying a football match took place that day in Liverpool?
 
What else could he be refering to other than the racist comment accusation, when he says there's no doubt in his mind something happened? Was he simply saying a football match took place that day in Liverpool?

He probably meant something was said, the seriousness of which is yet to be determined.

There was nothing wrong with what he said, no matter how you look at it. Surely you can see this.
 
I'm no Liverpool or Suarez. I don't know what he did or didn't say but I do think the FA are being incredibly inconsistent. I mean, Shearer kicks a guy in the face and gets away with it, and they support Rooney as well....

Seems to me they've one set of rules for some people and another set for others....
Agreed
 
What else could he be refering to other than the racist comment accusation, when he says there's no doubt in his mind something happened? Was he simply saying a football match took place that day in Liverpool?

No. He said that ~something happened between the players and "I'm going to stand by my player". He didn't comment on the accusations.
 
He probably meant something was said, the seriousness of which is yet to be determined.

There was nothing wrong with what he said, no matter how you look at it. Surely you can see this.

Again, I didn't say there was anything wrong with what he said. But by saying there is no doubt in his mind that something happened when refering to an accusation of racist remarks being made, it implies that he believes the accusations.
 
'It appears to us that the FA were determined to bring charges against Luis Suarez, even before interviewing him at the beginning of November. Nothing we have heard in the course of the hearing has changed our view that Luis Suarez is innocent of the charges brought against him and we will provide Luis with whatever support he now needs to clear his name.'



Having read that part of the statement I have come to the conclusion that the FA have slapped the mandatory charges to the rule book without determining guilt. This is the way the FA do things. The FA's laws and regulations are somewhat sketchy in most cases. They deem you guilty before innocent, the same as FIFA and UEFA.

This is why Switzerland have to prove themselves or they will be deemed guilty and Basel will be kicked out of Europe. This is the same sort of scenario. They first find you guilty, then they give you a 14 day appeal window. This is where Liverpool will have their chance to put forward witnesses and lawyers to either get that overturned or cut down. Often in race cases a character witness is put forward. There will most likely be a translator also given the complexity due to the language differences as well as cultural differences.

The FA charging Suarez does not mean he is a racist or that he is guilty. it means that they're going by the book in this country. If it is deemed with evidence from a defence lawyer that he is not guilty this will get overturned. This was also going to happen. He was always going to get initially charged with this and then its up to Liverpool to sort out the mess and its going to cost them a fortune to get it dealt with. Its the way the FA operate. By doing this it allows them to flaunt their power as well as put teams in a vulnerable situation.

It shocks me how so many were not prepared for this. It just proves so many don't understand that the FA operate a guilty until proven innocent policy rather than the same way the judicial system does, innocent until proven guilty.

This is ridiculous, the Swiss team in question ARE GUILTY, there is no uncertainty about this in the slightest. THey are asking the Swiss FA to punish the team that is 100% certainly at fault who signed players despite a ban, and will punish the FA if they won't in turn punish the team for breaking the rules.

100% completely different situation that is in no way even slightly comparable, there is no guilt, there is no investigation the team is guilty, everyone knows they are guilty, this has nothing to do with a court case or proving anything.

As for the statement, you're taking a statement from the accused as proof, and basing your entire reasoning on that which is also completely absurd.

Yes I'm not going to be comparing a murder case to something in football, but how many lawyers come out after losing a case and go "yup, he did it, you got me, oh well, onto the next job", no they say "he didn't do it, the other side were against me, we will probably appeal" etc, etc.

Sorry but basing any opinion off a generic reactionary statement is utterly ridiculous.

As for all the opinions, most mean little to nothing without knowing what the evidence actually is.

There seems to be a lot of hearsay in here, a lot about Evra's character like accusations he accuses ref's of booking him for being black, I can't claim to have seen every booking he's got but I've never seen any indication that he was saying anything like that, nor any reports aside from forums that he has done so.

Suarez is a twit but punishing him off he said/she said type situation would be absurd, maybe the FA have been that stupid, I think its likely they haven't been.

From the sounds of it Suarez ADMITTED calling him negrito, which does throw a tiny little planet sized spanner in the "on the word of Evra alone" because if true that would suggest its actually off Suarez admitting what he said thinking it was nothing.

As for being angry his culture wasn't taken into account, why should Suarez's culture of Negrito supposedly being a fine thing to say in Uruguay, be taken into account MORE than that of Evra who grew up with a culture that was far more racist?

That argument might also have more weight behind it if he hadn't played in Europe for years already, well aware of the problems with racism and that calling someone that would be taken differently here rather than over there.

Basically coming from a racist country or a country where racial slurs aren't deemed bad doesn't make it ok to be the same in other countries.

I'll wait for the report before saying if he deserves it or not.
 
Again, I didn't say there was anything wrong with what he said. But by saying there is no doubt in his mind that something happened when refering to an accusation of racist remarks being made, it implies that he believes the accusations.

He didn't say anything about the accusations though?

He could have said "Saurez is a racist and I'm sticking by my player" or he could have said "Evra was hearing things and I'm sticking by my player" he gave no indication of how he felt about the accusation of racism, other then saying he'd stick by his player, which is what any manager should do initially.
 
When do we find out the FA's hearings on Suarez's one finger salute against Fulham? Surely another 2 game ban for that? :p
 
Different sets of rules for different offences, not different people.

ok. what offence was rooney charged with, or is elbowing an opposing player in the face, off the ball completely intentionally and with excellent visual evidence, not an offence in football these days? try doing it to someone in the street and see if you get away with it.
 
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