Summer Transfer Window 2013/2014 aka Arsenal , we can afford folks and the mancs really want Fellani

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Its by no means a done deal but i think it would be a hell of a move. What Arsenal want is irrelevant as is their "first option". They had "first option" on RVP by virtue of actually having the guy playing for them at the time, it made no difference.

As i say, its miles away from a deal but i wouldnt rule it out on the basis of Fabregas not crapping on Arsenal or Barca not selling.
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Well obviously it is still down to the player but if Arsenal have first option then it would be slap around the face after all the self proclaimed love for the club. RVP wasn't a surprise going to Utd, I would put my house on Fab not going to Utd this summer.

Personally I think its just headline rumours. Can't see it happening myself. I think its just as likely that Rooney comes to Arsenal. Which is a joke too.

£250k per week wages, destroy our wage structure. He just isnt worth the money.
 
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Well obviously it is still down to the player but if Arsenal have first option then it would be slap around the face after all the self proclaimed love for the club. RVP wasn't a surprise going to Utd, I would put my house on Fab not going to Utd this summer.

Personally I think its just headline rumours. Can't see it happening myself. I think its just as likely that Rooney comes to Arsenal. Which is a joke too.

£250k per week wages, destroy our wage structure. He just isnt worth the money.
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Pretty much what i was thinking, cant see Fabregas ever going to Utd...hes doing pretty well at Barca from what i have seen this season.

Neymar to Barca is an interesting one, it would be funny if he turns out to be a huge flop at Barca. Barca need to re-build that defence this summer, a lot of teams found out just how weak they are and Puyol is now getting on a bit so needs to be replaced pretty soon.

As for Villa??, i dont think he will come to Arsenal in all honesty as i dont know where he would fit into the squad ie we have Giroud, Walcott and Pod who all like to play through the middle. What Arsenal need to do is strengthen the midfield and defence ie get another decent RB as Sagna is meant to be off this summer.

As for Rooney?? again another player who wont be coming to Arsenal..if he does id be very surprised...in fact id be shocked if chose us over the other bigger teams.
 
bloodline76 said:
Well obviously it is still down to the player but if Arsenal have first option then it would be slap around the face after all the self proclaimed love for the club. RVP wasn't a surprise going to Utd, I would put my house on Fab not going to Utd this summer.

Personally I think its just headline rumours. Can't see it happening myself. I think its just as likely that Rooney comes to Arsenal. Which is a joke too.

£250k per week wages, destroy our wage structure. He just isnt worth the money.
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What does "first option" actually mean?

Barca accept a £30m bid from Utd for example, where does that leave the "first option"?

If the player fancies the Utd move its irrelevant. Even if he doesnt its irrelevant.

In reality it means nothing at all.

I totally accept that Fabregas to Utd is a bit of a pipe dream though.

It would be nice though!! :p
 
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What does "first option" actually mean?

Barca accept a £30m bid from Utd for example, where does that leave the "first option"?

If the player fancies the Utd move its irrelevant. Even if he doesnt its irrelevant.

In reality it means nothing at all.

I totally accept that Fabregas to Utd is a bit of a pipe dream though.

It would be nice though!! :p
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Probably means that if he was to be sold, we would get first refusal ie Barca would have to tell us that hes up for sale and then we decide whether or not we want him or not. Dont think Barca could accept a bid from Utd if he was to be sold.

Personally i dont see Fabregas coming back to the EPL anytime soon, if at all. Wouldnt be surprised if he decides to finish his career at Barca or maybe another European team.
 
If another club had an offer accepted for him, Arsenal would then be offered the chance to have the same offer accepted. Of course the player would then have the right to laugh and say no.
 
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What does "first option" actually mean?

Barca accept a £30m bid from Utd for example, where does that leave the "first option"?

If the player fancies the Utd move its irrelevant. Even if he doesnt its irrelevant.
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Like I said it is still down to the player. But if Utd made a £30m bid Arsenal could match it before before they sell to Utd and then the player would have the choice.

However if they didn't have first refusal/option then they could just sell to first team to match their evaluation.

Thats why i'm saying it would be a slap in the face to Arsenal unless they refused to match the offer.

I believe it was first refusal or a buyback clause for a price. Its only what they were saying at the time. Like the rumour none of it might be true.

I still think we have room for another goal scorer up front.

RB is obvously needed with Sagna nearly out the door. Backup Goalie would be good or better replacement.

And maybe a CB or Verm to get his form back.
 
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If another club had an offer accepted for him, Arsenal would then be offered the chance to have the same offer accepted. Of course the player would then have the right to laugh and say no.
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I would say he is more likely to return to Arsenal than go to Utd. Maybe after he has filled up his cupboards with trophies. ;)
 
This isn't football manager guys. I highly doubt that any type of clause in any players contract is as straight forward (and identical to others) as you're making out.

Imagine there wasn't a clause in Fabregas' contract - why wouldn't Barca allow Arsenal (or any other club) the opportunity to make an offer? Barca don't care whether they get their £x from Arsenal, Utd or whoever. The more clubs bidding, the greater the possibility of them getting more money than Utd (in this example) offered. Allowing Arsenal to pay the exact same amount as what Barca were willing to sell him to another club for isn't a benefit to anybody.

The only way that a first refusal type clause makes sense, that I can think of, would be if Barca can't sell Fabregas without giving Arsenal the right to sign him for a predetermined fee (whether that be a set amount or a certain percentage of the fee agreed elsewhere).

Ultimately the players preference may stop Arsenal resigning him but I strongly suspect that any clause will either make it easier or cheaper for Arsenal to agree a deal with Barca than anybody else.
 
With Xavi getting on a bit, the only place Cesc will be interested in is his position on the pitch. Home club, home country, where his friends/family are... I seriously doubt he'll be going anywhere for the foreseeable future.
 
As Baz, and I've said before, its most likely essentially a buy out clause but purely for Arsenal. IE Lewandowski has a buy out clause for anyone, but can refuse to go anywhere and stick to his contract. I imagine in most cases a first refusal/buy back work the same except that one price is only for one club. So while Barca might accept a bid from utd for 40mil, if Arsenal offer say 30mil(if that is the price in the clause) then Barca still have to accept it, and Cesc can do what he likes, go either, or stay at Barca.


What I couldn't be sure of is, if say Cesc had been terrible and his perceived value had dropped to say 20mil but the clause stated 30mil, if Utd offer 20mil and its accepted, would the price be "30mil or match the lowest bid received", so could Barca choose to accept a 20mil offer from Arsenal, or be forced to accept that offer as well.

In reality it doesn't matter, its nuts to not talk to an agent/player and 99% of the time its clear where they want to go and so only the club the player wants to go to bothers making an official offer. Hazard style cases where several clubs offer and the player can't decide or plays them off each other for increased wages is pretty rare.
 
Surely with Neymar coming in either Villa or Tello need to get a move to play? Messi is a guaranteed starter. Tito likes Sanchez as well so it seems like they have five players for a maximum of three positions, two of which, at least to begin with, are taken?
 
Villa has supposedly been unhappy for most of this season. Ballague, again, speaks about him leaving about as firmly as he spoke of Neymar's inevitable arrival.
 
hasn't there been talk of Tito going anyway, Neymar is one of those "president" type decisions, who to get rid of is more of a manager decision.... I'm sure I read something about more treatment for Tito, I'm not entirely sure if he's still sick or in remission, or just finished his first course of treatment. WHile it seems a bit harsh, businesses with 400-500mil or more revenue generally don't risk their success on if someone might get better and frankly Tito might want to leave as stress is hardly good for recovery.

If Tito left and someone else came in I'd expect them to be making some decisions, and just connecting 2 + 2 and getting 42, Pelligrino keeps saying he hasn't infact signed anything or certain to go to City.....

Then again, Bayern are getting rid of a top class manager who doesn't seem to want to retire.

Villa seems to want to go because he wants more games and should really play as a central striker somewhere, Fabregas, there was this media push I mentioned at the start of the season where they were saying he was getting upset about lack of starts, despite getting more than Iniesta and at that time having started every league game where again Iniesta hadn't, and he finished the season with more starts than Iniesta again, the media created this "cesc is unhappy and might want to leave" thing from the start of the season based off complete lies. I can see him leaving, but I see Villa actually wanting out, Tello potentially wanting a move(maybe more like a loan for a year to get more games before Barca decide if he's worth keeping), and there is talk of Thiago going(again might just be on loan). I don't really see Cesc going this year unless a new manager comes in and wants to keep certain people and get rid of others.

Sanchez only had 17 starts with 10 sub appearances, Cesc was 26/27 starts, Tello 12, Iniesta a couple behind Cesc IIRC. I would hardly say Tito loved Sanchez as he's by no means a certain starter.

EDIT:- Cesc had 28 starts, iniesta 22, Xavi 23, Cesc has played in a couple less CL games, Bayern/PSG away and the Milan home game. He's about a wash with Xavi, 5 less league starts but 5 more CL starts, Iniesta has 6 less league starts, 2-3 more CL starts. Cesc has outscored/assisted Xavi, Iniesta(5 more assists in the league, 8 less goals) and Sanchez... would be mental to get rid of him.
 
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Alcantara apparently had a clause in his contract that meant if he didn't play a certain number of games this season his release fee was cut dramatically. He didn't and it has been.
 
His release fee is pretty meaningless though. The only way it can be enforced is if he personally pays Barca the money. There is a gentleman's agreement among Spanish clubs that if they receive a bid from another Spanish club for that amount that they will accept the fee (the buying club may have to pay all taxes involved too though) but this doesn't stretch to clubs outside Spain.
 
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Alcantara apparently had a clause in his contract that meant if he didn't play a certain number of games this season his release fee was cut dramatically. He didn't and it has been.
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He's played a fairly significant number of games though, 14 starts, 11 sub appearances, I don't buy that story at all, with that squad you think there would be a clause that if he didn't play in more than 24 games he'd get to leave? One serious injury would mean he could leave on the cheap.

He's assisted quite well but 2 goals in 20 odd shots isn't great, he's more attacking than defensive and feels a bit error prone to me when I've watched him, could easily turn out great but we'll see.

Only 1 start in the CL, 4 starts and 3 subs in the cup, its not terrible. If there was a clause I can't believe it would be triggered if he's played a part in 25 league games alone in the season, 5 starts maybe, or 10 appearances, but 25...I'd be very surprised, though he had 20 starts and 7 sub appearances last year. Would be smart to loan him out for a couple seasons have see what happens, or insist on a buyback clause for a fairly low price, at 33 Thiago has got to think he's got a great chance in a couple years of if Xavi gets any serious injuries, think he'd be mad to leave on anything but a loan for a couple more seasons at least.
 
I don't believe for one second that Barcelona will sell Thiago to anyone, and if they did, the last place he would want to go is to move to frigging Manchester to play under David Moyes.
 
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