Guillem Balague tweeted that Neymar will cost Barce 25m Euro's and 2 friendlies. Bargain, I think he'll tear up that league. I do wonder what effect it will have on Messi mind, everything wouldn't have to go through him anymore.
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Was it Pele who said that Neymar is better than Messi? Despite doing much worse than Messi in an utterly dreadful league? 
yeah Ballague has talked about Neymar to Barca being 'done deal' for a long time now and just a matter of when, not if. I have no idea how good he is as I'm not an avid watcher of the Brazilian league but seeing as Messi has seemingly fallen out with every big non-Barca-built striker they've bought it should be interesting...
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Personally I have never rated him and think he is getting worse with age. If we spend big money on a player i hope its not him.
But better to have him than no one. Certainly no real competition for that star role up front, so he might do well. Can't see it happening to be honest.
I think he will end up in France on a big bumper deal and that will be the last we see of him.
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Why are people saying Rooney is worth ~40M.
Imo, he is worth 20M tops.
All average/good strikers manage to score goals in good teams. Rooney is in now way world class, or even close to that.
Imo, he is worth 20M tops.
All average/good strikers manage to score goals in good teams. Rooney is in now way world class, or even close to that.
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I agree. My brother is a Utd fan and when RVP was moving over I told him he would replace Rooney as the first choice striker there. He just laughed
I would get rid if I were Utd, playing his little games again, "I want to leave...unless you give me loads of money...oh I love Utd again...best club..."
Have some pride and get shot of him
somewhere between those I would say, no way £40m though
Makes me lol when people say stuff like '20m tops', people seem to forget players like Bent moved for 18m and Andy Carroll for 35m and not to mention it cost us around 25m to bring Rooney to the club in the first place back in 2004
Like Rotty said 40m is probably pushing it but I'd expect the club at the very least to recoup that 25m if not make a 5-10m profit
Like Rotty said 40m is probably pushing it but I'd expect the club at the very least to recoup that 25m if not make a 5-10m profit
Football clubs dont usually work on "raw" profit. They work on accounting profit.
If they choose to depreciate a player's value over the period of his contract, a £20m player will be £5m on the books during the final year of his contract. This means if he is sold for £10m, the club records a profit.
I am not sure how this ties in with contract renewals but I would reckon that Rooney going for £20m would be recorded as a profit because he has been under contract for a substantial period of time and his transfer fee will have been written off during that time.
If they choose to depreciate a player's value over the period of his contract, a £20m player will be £5m on the books during the final year of his contract. This means if he is sold for £10m, the club records a profit.
I am not sure how this ties in with contract renewals but I would reckon that Rooney going for £20m would be recorded as a profit because he has been under contract for a substantial period of time and his transfer fee will have been written off during that time.
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Sell him to PSG for 30m to 40m and I would be over the moon.
Then use that to get Ronny back!
Then use that to get Ronny back!
My point about selling Rooney for less than we bought him was more in terms of are we really saying we're selling a worse player now than when we bought him when he was 18? At the very least Rooney is still worth 25m, he may not be in the best of form or mental state at the moment but he's still a top class player
There's also the fact that we bought a 29 year old RVP with less than a year on his contract for 24m so again are we really saying that a 27 year old Rooney with 2 years left on his contract is worth less than that?
There's also the fact that we bought a 29 year old RVP with less than a year on his contract for 24m so again are we really saying that a 27 year old Rooney with 2 years left on his contract is worth less than that?
Remember the English inflated price! You named two players that were 10m too high because they were English (Maybe 20m too high for Carroll
). Foreign clubs won't pay over the odds just because he's from this country.How old is he now anyway?
Remember the English inflated price! You named two players that were 10m too high because they were English (Maybe 20m too high for Carroll
True but with Rooney someone like PSG would be getting more than just footballer, they're getting (pardon the cliché) a 'global brand'. Now I dont know if something like that is brought into consideration when a club sells one of their biggest money makers but it certainly should be (from our perspective)
He's 27 btw, 28 in October
That is fair enough- I just wanted to raise the point that clubs and selling price do not correlate with obvious profit/loss positions.
For example £20m for RVP was effectively a £20m profit for Arsenal. £20m seems stupid to everyone else for RVP, but to the accountants and financiers it looks good.
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Anything than 40M for a player is too much imo. Because apart from the fee up front, you pay him some €10 a season (excl. bonuses) , which is a lot of money for ANY player. For every 60/70/80/90M player, you can buy 2/3 players for the same price, who in combination, are just as good.
yes, you do get players who are bought/sold for a very high price, but that doesn't mean it is justified is it? I can go and spend 50M for some unknown 18 year old, but just because I spent it, it doesn't mean that it was money well spend.
Now maybe these teams desperately needed a player, they had a few extra M they could spend, and that was the best they could get at that time. Imo, it just shows a lack of planning. That is why teams end up with a negative balance.
Yes, but RVP is twice the player Rooney is, and from what I have seen, he showed it (although yes, Rooney did play a bit deeper, not in his position).
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10 Euros a season sounds very reasonable to be honest.
£20M?! Haha. No chance.
He's still one of the best players around on his day, which should come more often than it does - but I'm willing to bet there are a few teams who think they can get him "going" again.
I still think he might stay, and I hope Moyes can sort him out if he does, even though I'll always think he's a bit of a tool for the two transfer requests, but maybe he really hated being played out of position and wants to be a striker only.
There's much more than simply passing when playing in midfield and he just shouldn't be there.
This pretty much, as much as i have said id like to see him at Arsenal...thinking about it, i dont think i would want him...hes unfit most of the time, lazy and seems to think the whole world owes him something.
But i cant see him ever considering Arsenal as we just barely scraped into the CL for next season and i dont think we will be challenging for any trophies unless we make some huge signings this summer...again going to be hard as City, Utd and Chelsea all have money and are willing to pay someone £150k a week, whereas Arsenal are loathed to pay over £100k a week to anyone.
Fingers crossed that this summer, we get some real world class players in...i dont know who but we desperately need some big name signings to join our squad. Dont think we have £100mill as its being reported to spend this summer, for the me the most important thing is to get rid of the crap we have sucking up wages this summer then getting better players in and paying them good wages. Even if it means paying someone £150k a week otherwise we can be linked to whoever the **** we want but will lose out if City, Chelsea or Utd decide to show interest in them.
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The main reason for Rooney's cost and partially Carroll's, was potential. A player of exactly the same quality at 18 and 28 are worth very different values, not least because the 18yr old might be around for 15 years and save you making 2-3 other transfers for players in the future, but also because that player is seen as able to get significantly better.
If Rooney was currently 18, you'd pay more because you'd expect him to get better towards 22-23. IE he is a 15mil player, but he's 18, by 23 he might be a 30mil player, so you pay 20-25mil for that potential, if he turns out great, you've saved cash, if he turns out worse, the risk doesn't pay off.
At 28, if he's deemed a 15mil player, he'll only get 15mil, though huge demand can also push price up, in this case thats a tough call. He's seemingly getting worse, his fitness is becoming an issue in the past couple seasons, and his wages will scare off a bunch of guys that otherwise would jump at the chance to sign him relatively cheap and have a star in their team.
If he was on 100k a week, or made it known he'd be willing to take that, Spurs, Newcastle.... Liverpool(? maybe?) and several other clubs would jump at the chance to get him.
AS for Arsenal getting him, I can't believe people even think its possible. You know why you go to a club that is not competitive, from one that is, money, lots of it, we can't match let alone beat his current wage and we can't match the transfer few nor wages that Monaco, PSG, Chinese teams, a couple Italian teams, MLS could all offer him.
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