Summer Transfer Window 2013/2014 aka Arsenal , we can afford folks and the mancs really want Fellani

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I must admit, I think I may have judged Fellaini a little harshly. There's a video on youtube of his performance versus Norwich and I quite liked what I saw. He was very involved in the game, barely gave the ball away, kept things simple and actually offered a bit of movement off the ball, which we have become very bad at. He also broke up the play well.
He's no superstar but could prove a better buy than people are feeling at present.
 
bloodline76 said:
Isn't he on £130k? Rooney is on more like £250k isn't he? And Rooney is a backup player...

I think if utd got ozil it would have placed them top again with rvp waiting for the ball.
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Rooney isn't a backup player, he will play just behind RvP in most matches (unfortunately for Kagawa)

Rooney has proved himself in the team and in the EPL over years, and I doubt started on £130k (and depending on inflation is at the very least 33% more expensive, probably nearer 50%)

Rumours were between 7-10m euros/year - which is pretty steep imo for a brand new signing, especially one not particularly wanted by his team lol
 
Bad luck all you Everton fans, Utd didn't actually pay any more than £23.5m for Fellaini, but because the player handed in a transfer request it saved the club £4m from loyalty payments (so they are in effect £4m up without Utd paying anything more than the known release clause)

http://www.premiershiptalk.com/2013...aign=Feed:+PremiershipTalk+(Premiership+Talk)

(so you can stop your gloating)

edit although Im annoyed that it appears that it WAS Moyes who asked Woodward to back out of the Herrera deal all for the matter of £4m - seems crazy considering the money Utd are generatinig (and what is being risked by not buying that kind of player)
 
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So they weren't imposters, just time wasters there to kick some tyres and haggle over a set fee?

The appointment of moyes has so far caused so many issues that unless he wins the league amd champs league multiple times in the next 3-5 years then we can all surely agree it was a horrific appointment.
 
The way it sounds to me is that woodword was more concerned with showing a saving on these deals than actually concluding the deal. Sadly this has cost us. I work with people like that .
 
FrankJH said:
Bad luck all you Everton fans, Utd didn't actually pay any more than £23.5m for Fellaini, but because the player handed in a transfer request it saved the club £4m from loyalty payments (so they are in effect £4m up without Utd paying anything more than the known release clause)

http://www.premiershiptalk.com/2013...aign=Feed:+PremiershipTalk+(Premiership+Talk)

(so you can stop your gloating)

edit although Im annoyed that it appears that it WAS Moyes who asked Woodward to back out of the Herrera deal all for the matter of £4m - seems crazy considering the money Utd are generatinig (and what is being risked by not buying that kind of player)
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At the moment that we don't have a clue, people hear about a 4mil loyalty bonus being avoided and come to conclusions without knowing any facts. The only story is that Everton haven't paid the 4mil loyalty bonus that is it, everything else is guessing at the real value of the deal.

However Everton didn't "receive" 4mil, they just didn't pay it out after a deal was done. It's very unlikely that not a single report mentioned this when everyone heard the deal was 27.5mil because that is what everyone was told yesterday. Why would Utd tell everyone it was 27.5mil if it was less? It's more likely the transfer fee was 27.5mil and that Everton also managed to not have to pay the 4mil loyalty bonus.... but this was known the second Fellani handed in a transfer request. Calling it an intricacy of the deal is, odd, seeing as transfer requests bypassing loyalty payments has been standard for many years now.

It's also possible that Utd have paid Fellani the 4mil themselves but asked him to make the transfer request to push the deal through, which has also happened multiple times. I don't see why either club would officially say it was 27.5mil if it wasn't.

Quinnaay said:
I think its clear Moyes is shellshocked at United having actual money to spend. He clearly isnt very good at that transfer malarkey.
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There was a quite hilarious quote when Moyes joined along the lines of saying, at Utd there is no budget, you just pick who you want to buy and go get them..... it really does feel like Moyes has no idea what is going on, simply assumed everyone wanted to join Utd i they were offered the chance, everyone will sell their players to Utd if asked and he had the money to do whatever he wanted..... then reality kicked his arse in the transfer window.

25mil for Cesc..... if Ozil is 42.5mil, Cesc is closer to a Bale price. It really does feel like Moyes made a lot of assumptions about how easy life would be in the transfer window with Utd and misjudged the whole thing massively.
 
Ignoring all the other dribble, we didn't say the fee was £27.5million.

The transfer was announced by Everton whom said it was worth £27.5milliom to them.

Manchester United is delighted to announce the signing of Belgian midfielder Marouane Fellaini from Everton for an undisclosed fee.
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That's the line we have taken as a club.
 
Isnt the fee undisclosed according to Man U and Everton have confirmed the price of 27.5? Anyway, as DM says above, it jsut means Everton don't have to wedge out loyality payments to Fellani, Man U don't magically pay less becuase he handed in a transfer request. The transfer was still 27.5million, and Man U could have paid 4 million less if they took their thumbs out their **** a few weeks earlier.
 
FrankJH said:
(so you can stop your gloating)
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It's not gloating, even over 15m I'm amazed and delighted to get the money back we wasted on the useless ponce. As I said before he's not even been close to our best midfielder of the last 5 years. No one cares he's gone, to even get 20m let alone if it was 27.5 is frankly unbelievable. I can only that the media that blew the gimp up after one good game against united last season.

It was the Sun wot won it ;)
 
Bucket said:
Ignoring all the other dribble, we didn't say the fee was £27.5million.

The transfer was announced by Everton whom said it was worth £27.5milliom to them.



That's the line we have taken as a club.
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They had to pay Liège a sell on percentage, maybe you paid more than the £27.5mill :D
 
The Running Man said:
So they weren't imposters, just time wasters there to kick some tyres and haggle over a set fee?

The appointment of moyes has so far caused so many issues that unless he wins the league amd champs league multiple times in the next 3-5 years then we can all surely agree it was a horrific appointment.
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The buyout clauses relating to Bilbao are very complicated. The player has to essentially buy himself out of his contract, I believe. In Herrera's case this is €36m, plus €6m VAT.

The 3 alleged imposters were people from a Spanish legal firm, the same firm that sorted Javi Martinez transfer to Bayern, so it's fair to say they are the right people for the job. We just didn't have enough time, you can't resolve a deal this complicated in a week or more, never mind a couple of days or less. I agree this was a mistake on our part.

He's very eager to join though, so I hope we get him in January.
 
Robbo said:
The buyout clauses relating to Bilbao are very complicated. The player has to essentially buy himself out of his contract, I believe. In Herrera's case this is €36m, plus €6m VAT.

The 3 alleged imposters were people from a Spanish legal firm, the same firm that sorted Javi Martinez transfer to Bayern, so it's fair to say they are the right people for the job. We just didn't have enough time, you can't resolve a deal this complicated in a week or more, never mind a couple of days or less. I agree this was a mistake on our part.

He's very eager to join though, so I hope we get him in January.
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Moses said:
Well, you definitely could've. Bayern would just have spent an age trying to get around the tax issue... if someone just stumps up the cash, rather than trying to engineer tax avoidance, it can be done easily. Reportedly the problem wasn't that you were willing to meet the cost of the buyout and legal rubbish got in the way... instead, it was that you thought it was too much money and were trying to get him for less than that. Bilbao wanted the buyout... Manyoo weren't willing to pay it. That's the line from Balague, and so forth.
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There are however also a few posts from the people that first broke the story that it was because Bilbao refused to accept the money into their account, as they did with Martinez, hense why we had the legal team that dealt with the Martinez one.

The difficulty came in the Martinez one (to which they say this was the same) is that the player had to deposit the money himself and that Bilbao do not have to accept the money into their account, on top of the issues of the tax also.

Balague is about as reliable as Sainsburys Basics toilet roll really (so could any of these others, too).
 
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