Summer Transfer Window 2013/2014 aka Arsenal , we can afford folks and the mancs really want Fellani

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dannyjo22 said:
To me they are all a bit average, cheap players to have in the squad but only Evans is decent enough until you find someone to buy. I don't think being an international footballer unless it's in the spanish team is a real badge of quality anymore sadly.

Most think Welbeck should be at Sunderland or some other up and down side ;)

Even so that's not a great list in nearly 20 years for a club so well resourced.
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To be fair how many top quality English players have come through anywhere in the last 20 years........majority of the current English squad is either the likes of Cole, Gerrard, Rooney, Lampard who have been around at least 1/2 of that time scale, or pretty meh players anyway.

At a stretch you could possibly pick out a handful of really top shelf British talent that Utd have missed out on (given the fact that even Shearer is about 5 years too old to be included in your time scale)

We have probably farmed out 10 -15 average players to other EPL teams and hardly missed out on one (Barkley may be one fair enough, but still to be proven over time but looks promising) really top shelf player

fez said:
I can't help but feel that Welbeck must be great in training but at some point you have to transfer that to a match situation consistently. Fergie wouldn't have had so much faith in him if he was training poorly and playing like he has for the past few seasons.
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To be fair how long did he give Gibson - 4 or 5 seasons? (it certainly felt like that kind of length of time lol)


compare the situation to Spain (or Germany) and there are FAR fewer widely considered top clubs than in England, and the % of tv money is vastly in favour (of the two main Spanish ones anyway) compared to any other club. So even if natural choice doesn't allow for the 50% chance of them getting "x" kid into their academy - not to mention "b" teams that play in the league also for that club, they can buy them in relatively cheaply before they really get known.

Also wasn't there an FA rule that for a few years only kids born /living within a certain millage of the academy could be registered there? (I understand this has now been scrapped, but I think it was in place for a few years).
 
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fez said:
That is not where pace should be coming from in our midfield. The wingers have been dire for a few years. We need Nani back and on form along with Zaha and hopefuly Kagawa and Januzaj to get much more game time.
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You still need someone who's quick and agile as a defensive mid, otherwise the opposing teams attacking players just run rings around them. It was surprising he even moved to Utd, i suppose they had no choice but to sign him though..
 
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Moses said:
I'm not lame enough to start a January transfer thread, but offftttttt,

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2430364/Adnan-Januzaj-wanted-Juventus.html

Imagine the rage on here. Just imagine.
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Daily Mail. :/

Didn't they say it was Man City last week? As far as I know, no reputable places have reported this (either here or in Italy).

This is interesting:

Real Madrid president Florentino Perez has claimed that Manchester United made a bid for Gareth Bale before the Welshman moved to Madrid for a world-record fee.

The 24-year-old left Tottenham earlier this month for £86m and scored on his Real debut against Villarreal 10 days ago.

Bale was forced to miss his home debut against Getafe on Sunday, pulling out of the starting XI after injuring his thigh in the pre-match warm-up. He has been passed fit to face Atletico Madrid live on Sky Sports this weekend.

Perez told SER radio that he believed he had secured a bargain on the conclusion of the record-breaking deal.

He said: "Bale has come cheaply.

"Signing the best players out there is Madrid's philosophy and Bale was the best available player on the market this summer. We had been following him for two years.

"Tottenham did not want to sell. We learned that Manchester United had made an offer and we made one ourselves.
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http://www1.skysports.com/football/...ms-manchester-united-made-bid-for-gareth-bale

Assuming the above is true, I'd imagine our bid was a pretty large one, showing we were at least prepared to pay a fairly large fee for a player, which is positive. Could the Fabregas stuff have been a cover for this (given how utterly stupid the bids were and how it all played out), maybe!
 
Pogba was just Fergie's stupidity. He's gone from playing in three league games at a team desperate for midfielders to 28 for Juventus. I think it's fair to say Fergie got that one entirely wrong and cost us a great player for the future.
 
Moses said:
It's not as though they're saying it about someone who has five years left on their contract, or whatever. It's entirely plausible, no? (If the reports from various places about him being in the last year of his contract are true... and with numerous places reporting it, I'd wager it is...)
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Many things are plausible, but I'm not going to assume it's likely because of a baseless Daily Mail article. Unless we do something really stupid, I can't see us not keeping him, we're in the driving seat and can match whatever the likes of Juventus offer. Letting him go would just turn the fans even more against Woodward and perhaps even Moyes, so it's a non-starter.

Pogba was purely down to SAF not liking him, and we know how that usually turns out.
 
Just for those who questioned me when I said Arsenal were on over 150mil wage spend last season, Arsenal have officially stated last years wage spend was 154.5mil.

This is excluding the fact that Monreal joined in Jan, Walcott got a huge bump in wage in Jan and 4-5 new contracts were sorted out around the Nov/Dec time frame iirc so that 154.5mil would be closer to 160mil or even over had those players received their current wage over the entire year.

Our profits were also significantly down to £7mil before tax, though tv money and a proper sponsorship deal. £100mil over 10 years for shirt AND stadium was utterly pathetic when for the majority of the last decade our major rivals have been anywhere from 20-40mil a year for the shirt alone... that is 200-300mil we've effectively lost from god awful sponsorship deal signed before the stadium move, more when you factor in real sponsorship for the stadium, it was effectively free for no reason, another 50-100mil from that over 10 years and you start to wonder who can really say Arsenal are being brilliantly run. Top 4 teams making 20-40mil a year on their shirt, Arsenal getting say 8mil a year for shirt and 2 mil a year for stadium(and infact the stadium deal is much longer so less than that... I think Newcastle's deal is worth more than that). We're talking about most of the cost of the stadium we've lost in woeful sponsorship deals in the past decade. :(


Either way with effectively 20mil more a year sponsorship than we've been getting + 20-30mil tv money we'll be doing fine. Ozil deal will likely count as 8-10mil a year on the books over 4-5 years, wages are still increasing. Ozil/Monreal/wage increases throughout last year pretty much offset most of the wages saved from people leaving. WE should have some leeway on extra players and wages for them but 2-3 reasonable purchases and 3-5mil in wages for each of them and we'll be back on the running on the limit level.
 
dmcg said:
utd lost the title in the transfer window this season just like city did last
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Yet Utd won the title without Fellani last year.... and City could easily have won it last year. As of yet Dzeko has been great, Tevez was their best attacker last year and has done fine at Juve, so they've swapped Tevez for Negredo, Navas is a minor improvement. City haven't improved an awful lot, just changed a couple of players, the biggest change is the manager.

Kompany and Toure, and to a lesser degree Augero were why they won the title in the first place, all three being well below their best last year and all three being significantly improved again this year. Mancini failed to get the best out of his players. Last year it was almost the entire squad, previous seasons like the title winning season, they won on goal difference when they should have destroyed the league. Aguero/Kompany/Toure were fantastic that year and Hart, but a large portion of the rest of the squad wasn't anywhere near their best, he neutered Tevez, misused Balotelli, killed Dzeko's form, played Barry(lolololol), favoured Milner.

City lost the title when they stuck with a struggling Mancini who sucked in Europe, just marginally beat a weak Utd with the best squad in the league by a mile.

Utd haven't lost anything yet, but I really can't see Moyes being good enough. I think Moyes has been too long at a specific type of club, he's engrained in his thinking. A new younger(or older... but still new) manager could go to a top club and learn to manage a top club... and be good at it. A manager who starts at a lower club with different goals and learn how to manager a club with entirely different goals can end up with a very different style, different ideas, different goals. I think Moyes is a manager who is aiming to not lose rather than win every game.

Mourinho started with pretty much a top team, he was an assistant at a top team, he never had that working to stay above relegation mentality, he learned to be a winner, try and win.

I think Utd needed a manager, new or old, who had a winning mentality engrained in them, I think they got completely the wrong guy.
 
Robbo said:
Assuming the above is true, I'd imagine our bid was a pretty large one, showing we were at least prepared to pay a fairly large fee for a player, which is positive. Could the Fabregas stuff have been a cover for this (given how utterly stupid the bids were and how it all played out), maybe!
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Knowing your Fabregas bid I would say you more likely bid £25m for Bale then upped it to £28m :p
 
bloodline76 said:
Knowing your Fabregas bid I would say you more likely bid £25m for Bale then upped it to £28m :p
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If that were true we'd surely have announced it to everyone, and proudly too. :p

L'equipe in France did say a few weeks ago we bid £127m, which is obviously rubbish but was funny all the same.
 
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