Summer Transfer Window 2013/2014 aka Arsenal , we can afford folks and the mancs really want Fellani

[Yas786]

Guess i should put this in here but regarding this whole Ozil to Utd affair, seems like Ozil's dad is about to take legal action against a fake agent who faked his signature.

Mesut Ozil’s father is ready to press ahead with legal action against a fraudster who offered the now-Arsenal midfielder to Manchester United in the summer transfer window.

Ozil, who joined the Gunners on deadline day for £42.5million from Real Madrid, was reportedly offered in writing to United on August 7, but his agent, Mustafa Ozil, claims he has been misrepresented by an imposter.

‘I would have never deemed it possible what some dodgy people venture to do,’ Ozil Sr said.

‘Someone wanted to make contact with Manchester in my name and even signed with my name. That is no trivial offence. We will get to the bottom of it.’

Agent Francois Gallardo had claimed that Ozil Sr had shopped his son around most of the European top teams.

However, Ozil Sr firmly denied this claim, saying: ‘As you can see, that’s wrong. You don’t need to offer a player of Mesut’s class to any club in the world.’

Source is the Metro paper.

 

[drunkenmaster]

Hahahahaha .

To be fair Baines is one of if not the highest assisting and scoring left back in the past few years. Who is better, Lahm probably but then he's mostly playing left back. He's outscored/assisted Alba and I would personally say is better defensively and don't forget this is for a fairly meh Everton team who don't score an awful lot. He's been better than Cole in the past couple seasons.

There might be better left backs, but there won't be many. Best left back in England currently which would put him pretty high up the list of best left backs in the world.

Guess i should put this in here but regarding this whole Ozil to Utd affair, seems like Ozil's dad is about to take legal action against a fake agent who faked his signature.



Source is the Metro paper.

When I read this I thought, for fake people trying to make deals, both stories were involving Utd weren't they. Apparently someone trying to sell Ozil to Utd and someone trying to buy the guy whose name I've forgotten for Utd...... does seem very odd.

 

[Yas786]

When I read this I thought, for fake people trying to make deals, both stories were involving Utd weren't they. Apparently someone trying to sell Ozil to Utd and someone trying to buy the guy whose name I've forgotten for Utd...... does seem very odd.

Ander Herrera iirc.

 

[Davey_Pitch]

Hahahahaha .

Thanks for that highly considered response. When you've finished being stupid, you're welcome to contribute with some actual debate if you like.

 

[Tummy]

Thanks for that highly considered response. When you've finished being stupid, you're welcome to contribute with some actual debate if you like.

Hahahahaha! .

Baines is a good left back, he's a solid left back who's got a good cross and is some what of a free kick expert, but by no means is he the best in Europe.

 

[Robbo]

I think it's fair to say he's one of the best, though. The ones who are better defensively for example won't provide a threat from set pieces (most likely).

 

[Tummy]

I think it's fair to say he's one of the best, though. The ones who are better defensively for example won't provide a threat from set pieces (most likely).

I think he's still a cut below the top left backs in Europe.

 

[Davey_Pitch]

Hahahahaha! .

Baines is a good left back, he's a solid left back who's got a good cross and is some what of a free kick expert, but by no means is he the best in Europe.

I'm still waiting to hear your examples of who you think is better. Jordi Alba is very close, probably on a par. Marcelo is weak defensively but good going forward (and let's be honest, that's all he needs in that Madrid team). Cole isn't as good as he used to be. Evra is very good, but doesn't offer as much threat going forward as Baines does.

So who in your opinion is better?

 

[Robbo]

I'd also like to know who you think is better then Tummy!

 

[Tummy]

I'm still waiting to hear your examples of who you think is better. Jordi Alba is very close, probably on a par. Marcelo is weak defensively but good going forward (and let's be honest, that's all he needs in that Madrid team). Cole isn't as good as he used to be. Evra is very good, but doesn't offer as much threat going forward as Baines does.

So who in your opinion is better?

You should trying watching football other than the English Premier League and Barcelona and Real Madrid.

I'd put Baines on a par with players like Criscito, Ansaldi, Pereira. I think you could maybe put Clichy and Evra in this category, maybe Monreal too.

I think Baines is below the likes of; Alaba, Coentrao, Alba, Marcelo, Luis, Nagatomo & of course Lahm.

For what it's worth, I do think Baines is the best English left back at the minute & I've thought this for a season or so.

 

[Davey_Pitch]

You should trying watching football other than the English Premier League and Barcelona and Real Madrid.

I'd put Baines on a par with players like Criscito, Ansaldi, Pereira. I think you could maybe put Clichy and Evra in this category, maybe Monreal too.

I think Baines is below the likes of; Alaba, Coentrao, Alba, Marcelo, Luis, Nagatomo & of course Lahm.

For what it's worth, I do think Baines is the best English left back at the minute & I've thought this for a season or so.

I didn't know you were privy to my viewing habits

Lahm is primarily a right back which is why he wasn't in my discussion. I know he can and does play left-back, but that's not his main position. Alaba is very very good, and potentially the best left-back in the world, but he's not there yet. Maybe in another year or two.

Saying Marcelo and Luis are better than Baines is just wrong IMO.

 

[Robbo]

Marcelo. I don't think so!

 

[Tummy]

Marcelo offers so much going forward, if people are going to praise Baines qualities going forward then Marcelo's deserve praise too. He's potentially the weakest of the group of players at the top defending, but that's due to his lack of concentration and he's quick to lose his temper & become frustrated.

The players I listed I think are ahead or at least on par with Baines with some being considerably better.

It should also be noted that Baines hasn't had to play against some of the best players in Europe in the Champions League, it's easier to look good against poorer opposition.

 

[drunkenmaster]

lol, you say seem to mock people for not watching other leagues, then put in Coentrao and Marcelo, two pretty woeful fullbacks. They are average/decent going forwards, crap defensively, huge attitude/temper problems. They aren't even close to as good as Baines.

In his best season Marcelo has managed 4 goals 9 assists while being significantly worse than Baines defensively, who has gotten 7 goals 12 assists in his best season while being better defensively for a significantly worse team.

I do find it funny that if any fullback for a "big" team gets a few goals they are automatically good. People would rave over Johnson(mostly media and Liverpool fans) because he got a couple goals and a few assists, and did so by neglecting his defensive duties to achieve it. Then Evra, who has in the past 3 seasons and this season had one half decent season after two terrible seasons and so far looks poor this season also.

 

[Davey_Pitch]

Marcelo offers so much going forward, if people are going to praise Baines qualities going forward then Marcelo's deserve praise too. He's potentially the weakest of the group of players at the top defending, but that's due to his lack of concentration and he's quick to lose his temper & become frustrated.

Yes, I've already said Marcelo is good going forward. He's not as good as Baines going forward though. I don't know how it ended, but in roughly March this year (so 3/4s of the way through the season), Baines was the most creative player in Europe's 5 leagues, creating more chances than anyone else. I didn't see Marcelo's name there.

The players I listed I think are ahead or at least on par with Baines with some being considerably better.

Considerably better? Now that's funny!

It should also be noted that Baines hasn't had to play against some of the best players in Europe in the Champions League, it's easier to look good against poorer opposition.

Yet he plays in one of the best leagues in the world playing against some of the best players in Europe. He also stands out hugely in an Everton team that doesn't create as much going forward as the top teams in the league do. That's testament to his ability.

 

[Tummy]

Stats! Marcelo plays for a better team, he's not expected to contribute with goals or assists on the same level as someone like Baines is & Everton and Real Madrid, set up and play very differently with Marcelo playing a different role. Don't let that stop you though DM .

I've not mentioned the scoring record or stats of any of the players I consider better than Baines either.

 

[drunkenmaster]

Marcelo offers so much going forward, if people are going to praise Baines qualities going forward then Marcelo's deserve praise too. He's potentially the weakest of the group of players at the top defending, but that's due to his lack of concentration and he's quick to lose his temper & become frustrated.

The players I listed I think are ahead or at least on par with Baines with some being considerably better.

It should also be noted that Baines hasn't had to play against some of the best players in Europe in the Champions League, it's easier to look good against poorer opposition.

It's against the best Marcelo gets caught out the most and does the least offensively, he also doesn't offer so much going forward, most of his seasons are meh offensively and crap defensively.

Also champions league being brilliant is a fallacy. In the past decade english teams have done great in the champs league and many hundreds of players who have played in the champs league play in England. If Baines can look good against Chelsea, Arsenal, Utd, City, Spurs then he's not going to be significantly worse against the majority of the champs league memebers. THere are only a handful of teams better than those four in the champs league. Half of the league if not 3/4 of the champs league are fairly cack teams.

 

[Tummy]

I'll bite .

Yes, I've already said Marcelo is good going forward. He's not as good as Baines going forward though. I don't know how it ended, but in roughly March this year (so 3/4s of the way through the season), Baines was the most creative player in Europe's 5 leagues, creating more chances than anyone else. I didn't see Marcelo's name there.

He is, but they play differently and play different roles within different teams, so I don't really see this as a counter argument to be honest. Marcelo is at worst, as good as Baines.

Baines plays a different role (as mentioned) and is expected to provide and contribute more to a poorer team, being the best player in a considerably poorer team is slightly different to being a good player in a considerably better team.

Considerably better? Now that's funny!

Yes, Lahm is considerably better than Baines and it's not even his 'natural' position. Alba is also considerably better.

Yet he plays in one of the best leagues in the world playing against some of the best players in Europe. He also stands out hugely in an Everton team that doesn't create as much going forward as the top teams in the league do. That's testament to his ability.

The Premier League isn't quite what it used to be a few years ago. Everton play a lot of average teams across the course of a season & it is far easier to look good against those & in a couple of big games per season, than it is to look good against those average sides & against some of the best sides in Europe.

 

[Tummy]

You should know by now... he's a self-styled ~student of the game~ and thus thinks his opinion is superior. Being a true Wednesday fan adds legitimacy, and a down-to-earth aura (although in reality he's a Manyoo fan). This results in him merely laughing off discussions and/or making assertions, rather than actually engaging.

Oh look, it's Moses, contributing nothing again and having a pop again, like clockwork.

 

[Tummy]

I don't think Baines is a bad player, nor do I think he wouldn't be able to cope at a 'top' club, but I don't think he's the best left back in Europe, I think that's just hyperbole. He's certainly a good player, just not quite up there with the best & considering he's coming to the peak of his ability this is about as good as it will get for him, the only way to really test if he has any more capacity to improve is to leave Everton for a side playing Champions League football.