Summer Transfer Window 2013/2014 aka Arsenal , we can afford folks and the mancs really want Fellani

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fez said:
What is there to suggest that this is the case Biz? How many world class players are on this type of contract?
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Well since the new CEO there has been new contracts for Toure, Kompany, Clichy, Aguero and a few of the youngsters.

Khaldoon (Chairman) also recently said that Richards, Zabaleta and I think it was Hart will get new ones as well.

None of them are close to expiring when they signed but were done to as I say be structured better so we don't have a situation like Adam Johnson sat on the bench earning 60k a week for doing nothing or players in the stands doing the same.
 
Yes I am an in house lawyer at Man City. :rolleyes:

I am not making things up out of nothing just for something to do. I saw a post on another forum that said this was going to be happening (I will try and find it) and also speaking to a friend who has heard the same rumor from someone who works at the club.

If you don't believe it then don't. I don't believe what your saying to be right either so it is just one big circle at the end of the day isn't it!
Let's just leave it here and get back on topic?
 
Moses said:
Of course he still wants to be paid a lot, but exactly the same critique could be levelled at Manyoo - the team which pays Ashley Young £120k/week. But there's not a lot of difference between the top teams - a similar player at Manyoo/Citeh/Chelsea/Real/Barca/Milan/Inter/wherever will get paid an awful lot, so there's no real difference there. Critiquing a team for paying a lot = cripple fight territory.

Were Manyoo an unattractive proposition after they went through a season winning nothing (other than the Community Shield) and finishing third in their Champions League group, with their only saving grace being they could pay a lot? No. They were a team which could pay a lot, but were obviously going to be competitive in the short and medium term - a description you could use for Citeh, too.

Essentially, money's a key factor... but so is competitiveness, as they want to further their ambitions in domestic and international football.
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Agreed completely, but we're not the ones making out we're saving money on players ;)



BaZ87 said:
I'm not sure what's worse, Utd fans trying to convince themselves that players still only join City for money or Biz trying to convince himself that City no longer pay huge wages?

City are as well placed as any club in England (and probably only bettered by Barca, Real and Bayern outside England) to consistently challenge for Leagues and European Cup - joining City hasn't simply been about the money for a couple of years now. That said, City are the biggest spenders in England too and despite what Biz is saying about them wanting to restructure their contracts, I'd be astounded if Navas isn't joining on major money. City may have cleared out some high earners but their squad is still full with players earning £100-£200k per week and all incoming players will base their demands on what the players they'll be competing with are earning.
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I'm not trying to convince anyone that players join City for the money apart from Biz, fact of the matter is, City is an attractive proposition for anyone due to the amount of wages they offer, a point that you make in the rest of your post! You may also take note of the fact it's not just United fans that think that. Do you think they join City for the history and that they are a great club to join with a footballing philosophy akin to Barcelona?

Or do they join them becasue they have a billionaire owner who will throw cash at players to acheive results?

Nothing wrong in that but lets all be grown up about this, we all do it. City take it to the extreme and then try to justify that they are trying to cut down on costs because 'it's less than we were paying'
 
I am purely questioning your claims of the new contracts and the reasons for them. I haven't stated an opinion to disagree with :confused:.
 
Biz.Kid09 said:
Yes I am an in house lawyer at Man City. :rolleyes:

I am not making things up out of nothing just for something to do. I saw a post on another forum that said this was going to be happening (I will try and find it) and also speaking to a friend who has heard the same rumor from someone who works at the club.

If you don't believe it then don't. I don't believe what your saying to be right either so it is just one big circle at the end of the day isn't it!
Let's just leave it here and get back on topic?
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Biz, I think the problem is that you read something somewhere (Twitter normally or Bluemoon) and then recite it here like it's fact.

Maybe you should put a disclaimer in like "I've read, or I've heard" The twitter nonesense is just that, if I did what you do and recite every little rumour I heard about United, it would be a full time job posting it on here!

It's like the Cavani situation, you came on here telling us all it was pretty much a done deal, even quoting his wages and transfer fee, when in reality he is talking up joining Chelsea to work with Mourinho.

In short don't tell us it like it's fact, explain that you've read it somewhere, I know you like to come across as an ITK but you're not :)
 
G|mp said:
I'm not trying to convince anyone that players join City for the money apart from Biz, fact of the matter is, City is an attractive proposition for anyone due to the amount of wages they offer, a point that you make in the rest of your post! You may also take note of the fact it's not just United fans that think that. Do you think they join City for the history and that they are a great club to join with a footballing philosophy akin to Barcelona?

Or do they join them becasue they have a billionaire owner who will throw cash at players to acheive results?

Nothing wrong in that but lets all be grown up about this, we all do it. City take it to the extreme and then try to justify that they are trying to cut down on costs because 'it's less than we were paying'
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I've not questioned the fact that the amount of money on offer doesn't play a part in attracting players but it's not simply the money anymore which is the only factor you're mentioning.

When City were first taken over, money was all they had. They weren't in the CL and had little hope of challenging for major honours in the immediate future. That's changed now. The players City are signing are (mostly) coming from sides in a weaker footballing position than what City are - money isn't their only motivation to join City. Of course it helps that they'll get paid a fortune too.

edit: and as I said in my first post, I'd be astounded if City aren't paying Navas big money. Whether City want to address their wage structure or not - it's a lot easier said than done.
 
BaZ87 said:
I've not questioned the fact that the amount of money on offer doesn't play a part in attracting players but it's not simply the money anymore which is the only factor you're mentioning.

When City were first taken over, money was all they had. They weren't in the CL and had little hope of challenging for major honours in the immediate future. That's changed now. The players City are signing are (mostly) coming from sides in a weaker footballing position than what City are - money isn't their only motivation to join City. Of course it helps that they'll get paid a fortune too.
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No, I'm pointing out to Biz who claims it's nothing to do with the money hence why they are paying him 45k a week.

When you and me both know that he will be on far more than that. This case being Navas who is well known to be a homer that wouldn't even move to another club in Spain, or travel too far with the National team, so what could possibly be the motivation to move to sunny Manchester? Oh that's right he's got over all that hasn't he, I imagine the wheelbarrow of cash helped.
 
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No, I'm pointing out to Biz who claims it's nothing to do with the money hence why they are paying him 45k a week.

When you and me both know that he will be on far more than that. This case being Navas who's is well known to be a homer that wouldn't even move to another club in Spain, or travel too far with the National team, so what could possibly be the motivation to move to sunny Manchester? Or that's right he's got over all that hasn't he, I imagine the wheelbarrow of cash helped.
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As I've said, I find it hard to believe that Navas will be earning much less (if at all) than Nasri, Silva etc.

I'm sure the cash will have hepled Navas agree to join but so would the fact that he'll be joining a side that has genuine hopes of winning major trophies year in year out. Something that Sevilla don't have.
 
BaZ87 said:
As I've said, I find it hard to believe that Navas will be earning much less (if at all) than Nasri, Silva etc.

I'm sure the cash will have hepled Navas agree to join but so would the fact that he'll be joining a side that has genuine hopes of winning major trophies year in year out. Something that Sevilla don't have.
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So why didn't he go to Barcelona, Real Madrid etc? As far as I know it was only City interested in him.

The fact is, City wanted him and no one else did, City still went and took a punt on him, one that could turn out to be quite expensive if he cries off home next season.

I don't think that fact he will be challenging for a league will make a blind bit of difference to him, I think the cash will.
 
As people have said a number of times Biz, you need to stop saying everything as if it is a fact and common knowledge. Everyone else comes on here and says "we are being linked with a 25m move for Fabregas" while you come up and say "City are in late negotiations over a 32m deal for Cavani on a 4 year deal for £65,463 / week with lots of incentives because Txiki knows the third cousin on Cavanis mothers side"

Every big club pays big wages and has a lot of rumours about them flying around. Stop acting like City are any different or that you have an inside line to their dealings.
 
G|mp said:
So why didn't he go to Barcelona, Real Madrid etc? As far as I know it was only City interested in him.

The fact is, City wanted him and no one else did, City still went and took a punt on him, one that could turn out to be quite expensive if he cries off home next season.

I don't think that fact he will be challenging for a league will make a blind bit of difference to him, I think the cash will.
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Why didn't other tops clubs go for him? I have no idea whether any did let alone why they didn't, if they didn't :confused:

City are in a financial position where they can afford to take a punt. If things don't work out, it's not going to have a big impact on their finances. It's a similar situation to Ba joining Chelsea. He was clearly a talented player and available relatively cheaply however the risk (his knee) meant it was too big of a gamble for most clubs to take.

And I do think that challenging for titles will have made a difference. We've discussed this before and as I said previously, City are now competing for players that other top end clubs would be going after rather than 2nd rate players and/or players with questionable attitudes etc. The reason why? Because they're now a genuine football force.
 
BaZ87 said:
Why didn't other tops clubs go for him? I have no idea whether any did let alone why they didn't, if they didn't :confused:

City are in a financial position where they can afford to take a punt. If things don't work out, it's not going to have a big impact on their finances. It's a similar situation to Ba joining Chelsea. He was clearly a talented player and available relatively cheaply however the risk (his knee) meant it was too big of a gamble for most clubs to take.

And I do think that challenging for titles will have made a difference. We've discussed this before and as I said previously, City are now competing for players that other top end clubs would be going after rather than 2nd rate players and/or players with questionable attitudes etc. The reason why? Because they're now a genuine football force.
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That's all good and well but to come across like he is joining for footballing reasons is BS. He is well known to be a homer and doesn't like change becasue he gets homesick. The fact that City will be challenging for titles has zero to do with it.

"I'm not homesick anymore because we're going for the league and a few cups, something I couldn't have done with Sevilla"

"I'm not homesick anymore because the 6 bedroom house in Alderly Edge and the Bentley GT in the garage have helped immensley"

Do you see my point, it's naff all to do with challenging for titles in this instance.
 
I don't see your point, no. Neither of us know, in any great detail, Navas' homesick problems and whether he's over them.

And I don't know why it's an either or situation. He's joining City because of both football and financial reasons. He's going to be challenging for titles and earning a fortune.
 
G|mp said:
Biz, I think the problem is that you read something somewhere (Twitter normally or Bluemoon) and then recite it here like it's fact.

Maybe you should put a disclaimer in like "I've read, or I've heard" The twitter nonesense is just that, if I did what you do and recite every little rumour I heard about United, it would be a full time job posting it on here!

It's like the Cavani situation, you came on here telling us all it was pretty much a done deal, even quoting his wages and transfer fee, when in reality he is talking up joining Chelsea to work with Mourinho.

In short don't tell us it like it's fact, explain that you've read it somewhere, I know you like to come across as an ITK but you're not :)
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I don't post every little rumor at all, I have talked about the same few players since it became apparent we were interested. Thinking back it was pointless really because no one on here cares!
I will admit I have a few times not posted the source but I do a majority of the time say where I got it from, Gazzetta Dello Sport etc or Twitter Journalists.

I mention the name of the source nearly all the time throughout the post.

Re; Cavani situation,
Cavani has also talked up wanting to work with Pellegrini!
The deal is very much on by all accounts for any team, Chelsea have apparently offered them Torres and/or Courtois but they don't want them. Apparently they want Dzeko and I read I think it was Di Marzio who had posted what the deal was that we had offered and he is well respected so I posted it on here. I don't remember mentioning wages.

"I don't know if they have made an offer, but I just know that to be coached by people like Manuel Pellegrini and Jose Mourinho would always be a pleasure," Cavani told Omnisport.
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Source; Ominsport.
 
Biz, the point is you portray it as though it is fact becasue you have seen it posted by a journalist on Twitter, you do realise what they do for a living don't you? Are these rumours normally linked to their paper?
 
I portray it as what it is, a respected journalist posting a piece of information that is relevant.

I don't come on here taking their information and saying I have got it from my own inside sources or I am ITK.

Palmeri is a Gazzetta contributor and Di Marzio works for Sky Italy.
Di Marzio posts the link to his own website where he has the story and Palmeri sends the information as "according to Sky Italy".

Of course everything has to be taken with a pinch of salt until the shirt is in their hands but I just thought I would post any information I think is credible on here for discussion.
 
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Navas has been going through counseling for his anxiety/homesickness, so perhaps he feels like he's ready to make the step away from home?
 
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