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Much as I love Firmino he has a lot of off days and doesnt score enough, despite what he brings to the team I dont think it would be long before Werner ousted Firmino.
Summer Transfer Window 2020/21 - Rumours & Signings *please quote sources*
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There's not a chance that Werner was replacing Firmino. Firmino is pivotal to how we play and has been pretty much the first name on the team sheet since Klopp arrived, and Werner is a completely different type of player. We're the best side in Europe right now - we're not ripping up how we play for the sake of Timo Werner.
The fact that we've passed up the chance to sign him, despite him being desperate to join us, shows us that Klopp and co certainly didn't feel he was going to be as important a signing as you do too.
Werner would have been a very good addition to the squad but in the biggest games when everybody is available, he's on the bench. And the majority of games he would have played would have been from a wide position too, imo of course.
Excluding Havertz who do you think suits us whilst making us stronger.
I get it's hard to judge klopp/FSG negatively as we have been best side last few years.
That being said I fear resting on our laurels could mean a down turn in the near future.
I've seen were linked with wolves winger traore too but I personally don't think he is an upgrade or equal to what we have now.
It's likely lallana is off possibly even Shaqiri so we do need people coming in this time.
Of klopp brings in no one I can only assume Wilson will stay and get chances
We're not going to get anyone making our front three stronger now, unless something insane happens and we get Mbappe. However, what we want are young players who can step into the shoes of the front 3 over the next few years. My hope is that Minamino can do that for Bobby although he has a long long way to go. Finding young wide players is easier - Sancho is the obvious one but there are many more, all of whom are better out wide than Werner.
My point is that I'd rather Klopp sticks with the type of player and systemwsystem has made us successful, rather than switching to a fast man up top. Werner, good player though he is, doesn't quite fit.
We've seen other clubs buy good players who make no sense from a system point of view recently - United have done it all over the shop, Arsenal with Pepe, even arguably City with Mahrez although he's improved recently. It causes problems, and I'd rather not have a £50m striker on the bench for the vast majority of our matches
All that said, I totally agree that we need to look at freshening things up and to ensure that we have continuity, and that's a big concern when looking at our front 3 in particular.
Well yes and thats quite the caveat....Werner isnt. When Firmino is being paid 180k and Salah 200k how can you justify paying Werner those numbers? They are paid that becuse they have proven themselves.
We do need decent cover for MSF as we’ve been very lucky none of them haven’t had a significant, long term injury. Shaqiri is off, potentially to Newcastle, Origi, well, I love him but he’s not good or consistent enough to be a proper replacement and we have AFCON to worry about as well which is scheduled for 9th January to 6th February 2021. Mané and Salah will be going along with Keita. We will be very, very short for what could be anything from 3-6 weeks. We could also do with some Left Back cover. Robbo has been immense but can’t be expected to play 50+ games a season.
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Origi has played in 36 games this season for 5 goals.
Firmino is top of big chances missed table.
https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/players/big_chance_missed
Still think Werner would be great at Liverpool.
Firmino is top of big chances missed table.
https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/players/big_chance_missed
Still think Werner would be great at Liverpool.
I don't think we're signing Havertz btw, it was a tongue in cheek comment and as I hinted at in a later post, Havertz (in the short-term at least) may even offer us less than Werner. He too wouldn't start ahead of Firmino (but would be perfect cover/competition for him) and isn't suited to playing out wide.
Like manic says, you're going to find it very difficult to improve on our current front 3 without spending £300m on one player. That said, we do need to improve on the Origi's and Shaqiri's. Signing Werner would be a big improvement on Origi but all that does is improve our bench and allow us to rest and rotate the others a bit more but our first 11 doesn't get any stronger, nor would Werner give us the option of playing a different system that included all 4 forwards.
As I said last night my preference would be to sign somebody more like Mane or even a Coutinho type that could cover the wide positions and play in midfield. Sancho's the most obvious fit, although the fee would be crazy - he'd provide the cover/competition for the front 3 that Werner would but being more of a midfielder, he could also fit into a 4-2-3-1 allowing you to play all 4 attackers. Equally a Coutinho type could cover the front 3 but also provide something different in midfield.
The club have shown that they will only spend big money on somebody that improves the team so at a time when the club face losing around £100m in revenue (across the end of this season and next season) it's understandable why they haven't been willing to pay £50m odd on Werner, especially if the £16m per season wages are true.
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£200k a week for Werner would put him right in at Salah's level, which he himself has only been upped to fairly recently as Liverpool's highest paid player.
With Utd out of the CL (and clauses reducing their players contracts) we possibly have the highest wagebill in the league this season. Liverpool will have several players earning £200k and it wouldn't shock me if Salah is earning in the £300k per week region and will likely be joined by VVD soon. Regardless of that though Werners wages, whether it's £200k per week or £300k per week as reported in the Independent, would be a problem. If you started paying Werner similar or more than the likes of Mane, Firmino, Trent & Alisson when they're playing every week and he's not, then they're going to be wanting pay rises.
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That's what I was thinking, as soon as you allow a player to join with a wage starting at that level, then it's going to lead to increased wages all-round or players leaving for more.
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Lots of talk over the last few days that we're pursuing Donny Van De Beek from Ajax. I assume he'd be backup for Bruno and another option in CM, could see Pereira and Lingard leave maybe.
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That would be my worry. Resting on your laurels doesn’t work, teams constantly have to evolve to stay on top.
When Chelsea won their first title, they spent nearly £90m strengthening their squad.
They retained the title.
That's exactly what people said last summer though and we came back even stronger without adding to the team. It's not a case of the club resting on their laurels either - the club are following the exact same principles in the transfer market that have put us in the position we are now. Unless there is a desperate need then the club have been very selective over who we sign and have only paid big money on players that have been big upgrades on our first 11. It's a cautious approach and we've missed out on players before, like Chilwell before he broke through at Leicester but overall it's served us very well. Other clubs, like Arsenal and Utd, haven't been quite so selective with who they buy and for how much and paid the price for some very expensive mistakes.
I'm sure the club wanted Werner - he would have been another option for our front 3 and hopefully a long term successor to one of them however both our need for signing Werner and the value of the deal changed massively in the last 3 months. The AFCON was (still is technically) planned for January/February time and with both Salah & Mane likely to have been away for several weeks, there was a very obvious short term need to sign another top class forward this summer even if the exact player or deal wasn't available. With the AFCON reportedly being moved back 12 months, pressure on the club to sign another forward, unless it's the right player at the right price, is no longer there this summer. And with billions of pounds being lost across Europe, £50-55m on Werner is suddenly a lot more expensive than it was 3 months ago. I'm sure that had the AFCON still been going ahead then we'd have moved for Werner (or another) this summer, regardless of the increased costs.
I'm sure the club wanted Werner - he would have been another option for our front 3 and hopefully a long term successor to one of them however both our need for signing Werner and the value of the deal changed massively in the last 3 months. The AFCON was (still is technically) planned for January/February time and with both Salah & Mane likely to have been away for several weeks, there was a very obvious short term need to sign another top class forward this summer even if the exact player or deal wasn't available. With the AFCON reportedly being moved back 12 months, pressure on the club to sign another forward, unless it's the right player at the right price, is no longer there this summer. And with billions of pounds being lost across Europe, £50-55m on Werner is suddenly a lot more expensive than it was 3 months ago. I'm sure that had the AFCON still been going ahead then we'd have moved for Werner (or another) this summer, regardless of the increased costs.
Do they have the money for a 200+mil summer spend? If they go Havertz aswell they'd be very top heavy imo.
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Two great signings being made and a few more looking likely but how long before we have a star above the badge to indicate our champions league victory?
Well they didn't sign any one in previous window as banned so maybe saved funds from there, Werner effectively used the money they got from Morata
They did sign Pulisic though for a hefty sum. The fee they got for Morata probably paid for...Morata.
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