Summer Transfer Window 22/23

Tombstone said:
I dont see it happening. At times Klopp can be overly stubborn and too "loyal" to the players he currently has. I would be pretty surprised if another midfielder is bought. So they had best damned hope that Bellingham chooses them next summer or they're going to look pretty damned stupid.
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It's nothing to do with being stubborn. It's clear that the club know we need a CM because we tried to sign one right at the start of the summer but Klopp and the club just won't sign any midfielder just to satisfy lunatic supporters because signing just anybody does more harm than good.

I do find it a bit mad that so many of our supporters moan about our transfer policy and clearly want one similar to what clubs like Utd have used in recent years. It's almost as if they're oblivious to how successful the two different approaches have been.
 
BaZ87 said:
It's nothing to do with being stubborn. It's clear that the club know we need a CM because we tried to sign one right at the start of the summer but Klopp and the club just won't sign any midfielder just to satisfy lunatic supporters because signing just anybody does more harm than good.

I do find it a bit mad that so many of our supporters moan about our transfer policy and clearly want one similar to what clubs like Utd have used in recent years. It's almost as if they're oblivious to how successful the two different approaches have been.
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Well we are hardly saying to sign just anyone are we...thats a little overdramatic. Its not like we are saying rush out and sign Barry Levinson from Mansfield Town. Somewhat of a disparagement to label supporters who are crying out for a new midfielder as lunatics.
 
Tombstone said:
Well we are hardly saying to sign just anyone are we...thats a little overdramatic. Its not like we are saying rush out and sign Barry Levinson from Mansfield Town. Somewhat of a disparagement to label supporters who are crying out for a new midfielder as lunatics.
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What are you saying then? Because it's clear the club want a midfielder but you want them to sign somebody they don't want.

And I don't think it's disparaging to call them that. We have used this same transfer policy for the past half a dozen years and have built a side that have competed at the very top on a budget far smaller than the sides we've competed with and the transfer policy these supporters want has seen clubs like Utd spend £1bn and achieve nothing. I'd say that's pretty crazy.
 
BaZ87 said:
What are you saying then? Because it's clear the club want a midfielder but you want them to sign somebody they don't want.

And I don't think it's disparaging to call them that. We have used this same transfer policy for the past half a dozen years and have built a side that have competed at the very top on a budget far smaller than the sides we've competed with and the transfer policy these supporters want has seen clubs like Utd spend £1bn and achieve nothing. I'd say that's pretty crazy.
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Well it is disparaging, of course it is, if I called someone a lunatic for their opinion on this forum I would probably have a mod suspend me for it.

What I am saying is very clear, there are good midfielders out there we could get, ones that would fit into our team and would strengthen our team, lets buy one because its very plain to everyone that the midfield is very lacking. Take Tielemans for example, are we seriously saying that Tielemans would not improve the squad? Thats what I am saying, are you saying that in the entire world of football, there is nobody out there that we could have bought in the summer that would strengthen our team and thats why we havent bought anyone? If so then I think your knowledge of the world of football is not as good as you may think it is, which probably explains why you are armchairing Liverpool from this forum, like the rest of us, instead of working in the football industry :D
 
BaZ87 said:
What are you saying then? Because it's clear the club want a midfielder but you want them to sign somebody they don't want.

And I don't think it's disparaging to call them that. We have used this same transfer policy for the past half a dozen years and have built a side that have competed at the very top on a budget far smaller than the sides we've competed with and the transfer policy these supporters want has seen clubs like Utd spend £1bn and achieve nothing. I'd say that's pretty crazy.
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Surely Liverpool's revenue is not far off United's now unless I am missing something? Surely they can at least spend a little more. Bar Man City who got lots from their sales to Arsenal and Chelsea only 3 teams have spent net less than Liverpool in this transfer window.

It has been obvious from a neutral that Ox hasn't been up to it playing for Liverpool for at least 3 seasons, Keita has been a bit of a flop as well so surely offloading those two and bringing in a midfielder that can at least do 30+ games a season is a priority. Especially with the age of Milner and Hendo.
 
Tombstone said:
Well it is disparaging, of course it is, if I called someone a lunatic for their opinion on this forum I would probably have a mod suspend me for it.

What I am saying is very clear, there are good midfielders out there we could get, ones that would fit into our team and would strengthen our team, lets buy one because its very plain to everyone that the midfield is very lacking. Take Tielemans for example, are we seriously saying that Tielemans would not improve the squad? Thats what I am saying, are you saying that in the entire world of football, there is nobody out there that we could have bought in the summer that would strengthen our team and thats why we havent bought anyone? If so then I think your knowledge of the world of football is not as good as you may think it is, which probably explains why you are armchairing Liverpool from this forum, like the rest of us, instead of working in the football industry :D
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If somebody has a mad opinion, you can say it's mad and I didn't call you a lunatic - it was a general comment about the constant whinging from a huge section of our fan base that care more about signing players than what actually happens on the pitch.

And you're missing the point. Liverpool want a midfielder, I'm sure you accept that given that we tried to sign Tchouameni? They are not not signing a midfielder because they are stubborn but because they do not believe the right player is available. You mentioning Tielemans changes nothing - the club know he's down to his last year of his deal and if we don't move for him it's because Klopp and the recruitment team don't want him*. How does signing a player that the manager and club doesn't want help things?

In the summer of 2018 I am sure you'd have had us sign Jonny Evans - we needed a CB and he'd have been an improvement after all. The club don't think that way though because when they sign first team players, unless they're absolutely desperate, then they are incredibly picky and will wait for a player that they believe is the ultimate answer, not some short term minor upgrade. The club decided they'd rather go without and get VVD in 6 months. I think we can agree that they made the right decision. Like everything in life, it's not a perfect plan - there's been numerous periods in Klopp's time as manager that we've been short in certain positions for 6-12 months but the club have accepted that if it means getting the right player(s) in the end.

What really baffles me is that everything you're saying we should do, clubs like Utd have done and this failure to acknowledge that signing somebody has it's risks too. Had Liverpool signed Jonny Evan's (or whoever) in the summer of 2018, it's very possible that we couldn't have then signed VVD. If we sign Tielemans and give him a bumper 5 year contract and he doesn't work out, it will impact on what we can do later. Again, our approach isn't without it's issues but given how well it's served us I really struggle with all the whining.

*It's probably worth pointing out that any club that does want Tielemans is probably going to leave it to the last minute due to his contract. I have no idea if we are interested in him though.
 
adam cool dude said:
Surely Liverpool's revenue is not far off United's now unless I am missing something? Surely they can at least spend a little more. Bar Man City who got lots from their sales to Arsenal and Chelsea only 3 teams have spent net less than Liverpool in this transfer window.

It has been obvious from a neutral that Ox hasn't been up to it playing for Liverpool for at least 3 seasons, Keita has been a bit of a flop as well so surely offloading those two and bringing in a midfielder that can at least do 30+ games a season is a priority. Especially with the age of Milner and Hendo.
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We're not rich rich, I mean we arent rolling in the dosh like City, Chelsea, Utd etc but lets all be honest here, we're far from poor too.

You're right, Ox hasnt been at the races for a while, Keita comes and goes in terms of his match performances about as much as he comes and goes from the injury table. Milner and Hendo are both great at holding you a lead but I wouldnt say that either of them are the best choices to actually get you that lead in the first place. To use the Tielemans example, 25m is a steal for him imo. Would I pick Tielemans to start ahead of Ox, absolutely I would, would I pick Tielemans to start ahead of Keita, absolutely I would, would I pick Tielemans to start ahead of Henderson, absolutely I would, would I pick Tielemans to start ahead of Milner, absolutely I would. So right there, straight off the bat, is a player I would pick to start ahead of 4 of the current team and wouldnt have broken the bank to acquire. Why something like that didnt happen, I dont know, none of us do, we all can but make assumptions. Only those within the club know why.
 
When Klopp's sacked for not signing a midfielder, I hope Tombstone gets the job. Re your assassination of our midfield, correct me if I'm wrong but you said pretty much the same towards the end of the 18/19 season, when we then went on to win the CL and pick up 97 points and then obliterate the League the next season? Maybe they're not as bad as you think, it's not as if we didn't just rack up another 90+ point season, win both domestic cups and reach the CL final, winning more games in a single season than has ever been done before.

Edit: If you do get the job, you can't sign Honda.
adam cool dude said:
Surely Liverpool's revenue is not far off United's now unless I am missing something? Surely they can at least spend a little more. Bar Man City who got lots from their sales to Arsenal and Chelsea only 3 teams have spent net less than Liverpool in this transfer window.

It has been obvious from a neutral that Ox hasn't been up to it playing for Liverpool for at least 3 seasons, Keita has been a bit of a flop as well so surely offloading those two and bringing in a midfielder that can at least do 30+ games a season is a priority. Especially with the age of Milner and Hendo.
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Find me somebody that will take Ox and Keita, earning £6-10m per year and being available for 50% of the time and I'll drive them there myself. This is half the point I'm making above when Tombstone or whoever says Liverpool should sign a midfielder. Just like the problems Utd face, if we sign a player and they don't work out, we get doubly punished because you haven't just wasted £xm but you're stuck with that player and it then makes it far harder to sign a replacement.

Because of these issues Liverpool take an incredibly picky approach to who they sign. As i said in reply to Tombstone, it's not the perfect solution because at times we have been left short but on the whole it's worked well for us because when we've signed a player, more often than not, it's worked.
 
BaZ87 said:
And you're missing the point. Liverpool want a midfielder, I'm sure you accept that given that we tried to sign Tchouameni? They are not not signing a midfielder because they are stubborn but because they do not believe the right player is available. You mentioning Tielemans changes nothing - the club know he's down to his last year of his deal and if we don't move for him it's because Klopp and the recruitment team don't want him*. How does signing a player that the manager and club doesn't want help things?

In the summer of 2018 I am sure you'd have had us sign Jonny Evans - we needed a CB and he'd have been an improvement after all. The club don't think that way though because when they sign first team players, unless they're absolutely desperate, then they are incredibly picky and will wait for a player that they believe is the ultimate answer, not some short term minor upgrade. The club decided they'd rather go without and get VVD in 6 months. I think we can agree that they made the right decision. Like everything in life, it's not a perfect plan - there's been numerous periods in Klopp's time as manager that we've been short in certain positions for 6-12 months but the club have accepted that if it means getting the right player(s) in the end.

What really baffles me is that everything you're saying we should do, clubs like Utd have done and this failure to acknowledge that signing somebody has it's risks too. Had Liverpool signed Jonny Evan's (or whoever) in the summer of 2018, it's very possible that we couldn't have then signed VVD. If we sign Tielemans and give him a bumper 5 year contract and he doesn't work out, it will impact on what we can do later. Again, our approach isn't without it's issues but given how well it's served us I really struggle with all the whining.

*It's probably worth pointing out that any club that does want Tielemans is probably going to leave it to the last minute due to his contract. I have no idea if we are interested in him though.
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Well to be fair, as pointed out by your asterisked sentence, you dont know whether we want Tielemans or not, so it quite possibly is not a signing that the manager and club doesnt want.

No, I would never have had us sign Jonny Evans. Again, if anyone is missing the point it is you. Its not as black and white as you are making out, me saying that there must be someone out there in the entire world of football, who is acquirable, who would strengthen us, who Klopp/club would want if possible, does not mean sign ANYBODY. I ask again, are you saying that in the whole of world football the only 2 midfielders that Klopp and the Club want , who is a possible signing, is Bellingham and Tchouameni. Because if there are only 2 midfielders in the whole world that Klopp/Club wants then we have a much bleaker future than I thought.

I dont know why we havent signed a midfielder and despite your sparkling insight, neither do you.....but I am strongly of the opinion that it is NOT because there isnt one that Klopp wants.
 
BaZ87 said:
When Klopp's sacked for not signing a midfielder, I hope Tombstone gets the job. Re your assassination of our midfield, correct me if I'm wrong but you said pretty much the same towards the end of the 18/19 season, when we then went on to win the CL and pick up 97 points and then obliterate the League the next season? Maybe they're not as bad as you think, it's not as if we didn't just rack up another 90+ point season, win both domestic cups and reach the CL final, winning more games in a single season than has ever been done before.

Edit: If you do get the job, you can't sign Honda.

Find me somebody that will take Ox and Keita, earning £6-10m per year and being available for 50% of the time and I'll drive them there myself. This is half the point I'm making above when Tombstone or whoever says Liverpool should sign a midfielder. Just like the problems Utd face, if we sign a player and they don't work out, we get doubly punished because you haven't just wasted £xm but you're stuck with that player and it then makes it far harder to sign a replacement.

Because of these issues Liverpool take an incredibly picky approach to who they sign. As i said in reply to Tombstone, it's not the perfect solution because at times we have been left short but on the whole it's worked well for us because when we've signed a player, more often than not, it's worked.
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The absolute last thing I would do in my professional working career would be to become a football manager. I have zero interest in doing that, so I am afraid I will have to decline your generous offer :D
 
The Running Man said:
Oof a loss to Man Utd and suddenly a club is in crisis mode.
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Hehe, I dont think its just the standalone Utd result, its more the 2 pts from 9 and the performances overall. Having said that, I dont think we are in crisis yet...draw with Bournemouth and then lose to Newcastle in our next 2 games and then be on 3 pts from 15 and THEN I think we will be in crisis :D
 
Tombstone said:
Hehe, I dont think its just the standalone Utd result, its more the 2 pts from 9 and the performances overall. Having said that, I dont think we are in crisis yet...draw with Bournemouth and then lose to Newcastle in our next 2 games and then be on 3 pts from 15 and THEN I think we will be in crisis :D
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If you don’t beat Bournemouth at home then you might as well pack it in for the year
 
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