Summer Transfer Window 22/23

Tombstone said:
Well to be fair, as pointed out by your asterisked sentence, you dont know whether we want Tielemans or not, so it quite possibly is not a signing that the manager and club doesnt want.

No, I would never have had us sign Jonny Evans. Again, if anyone is missing the point it is you. Its not as black and white as you are making out, me saying that there must be someone out there in the entire world of football, who is acquirable, who would strengthen us, who Klopp/club would want if possible, does not mean sign ANYBODY. I ask again, are you saying that in the whole of world football the only 2 midfielders that Klopp and the Club want , who is a possible signing, is Bellingham and Tchouameni. Because if there are only 2 midfielders in the whole world that Klopp/Club wants then we have a much bleaker future than I thought.

I dont know why we havent signed a midfielder and despite your sparkling insight, neither do you.....but I am strongly of the opinion that it is NOT because there isnt one that Klopp wants.
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I used Evans as an example but I have no doubt you were saying we must sign a CB that summer. I said the same fwiw.

And yea, you are missing the point. If there is somebody out there that the club want and is available then we'd sign them. If we're not signing them it's because the club don't want them. I promise you they're not just not signing somebody to **** you off. And I'm not saying it's black and white or that there's only 2 midfielders in the world that we want. I have no doubt there's a long list of midfielders the club are looking at (probably including Tielemans) but it's clear that the club have a very high bar when it comes to deciding on signings and if they don't believe x is going to be the long term answer to our needs then they won't move for them. As I've said multiple times now, it's not the perfect way of doing things but it's the way the club operate and it's worked on the whole for us. Signing x because on paper he's a small upgrade, only to need to upgrade him in 12 months makes no sense. After all, Utd signed Baily, Linderlof, Maguire and Varane - they were all upgrades on what went before and yet after spending a near £200m they still need improving their back line.

And you might not know why we've not signed a midfielder but it's pretty ****ing obvious to me, I mean Klopp literally spelt it out the other day. He said the club will only sign the right player and the financials have to make sense so the answer is the club haven't found the right player at the right price. Mine and your opinions on who we want count for ****.
 
Bigpig said:
I hope we don't buy Harrison. I prefer other targets not a slate on Harrison tho. Would be chuffed if that happened but can't see it.

Newcastle have the same problem as Leeds.
They have a top striker that guarantees Premier League goals but can't seem to stay fit.

We are not in a position to spends 50m+ million on a striker when our squad needs an overhaul. That time will come.

Pedro will provide cover up top. Doesn't take a sqaud place.

His defensive stats and work rate are pretty outstanding and fits the type of player we where after. Ekitike was very similar pressure and turn overs.

I haven't seen him play much just once against us and he caused us problems and smash3d a header in.

Newcastle are still saying to the local press there's a little bit of work to do before this is sealed.
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I don't think they'd buy Harrison we have a sound wage and purchasing structure and I think a deal for him would break that. Not that he's a bad player but i think there is so much better value out there because he's rapidly becoming indispensable for Leeds. The Pedro deal seems to fit our spend and wage structure. Hope it gets over the line!
 
BaZ87 said:
And you might not know why we've not signed a midfielder but it's pretty ****ing obvious to me, I mean Klopp literally spelt it out the other day. He said the club will only sign the right player and the financials have to make sense so the answer is the club haven't found the right player at the right price. Mine and your opinions on who we want count for ****.
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I've long since stopped believing that everything a manager says in an interview is the gospel truth. Pretty surprised though that they dont think Tielemans is the right player at the right price. Maybe I've been giving Klopp and the Club as much credit for their football nous as I give you :P
 
BaZ87 said:
I used Evans as an example but I have no doubt you were saying we must sign a CB that summer. I said the same fwiw.

And yea, you are missing the point. If there is somebody out there that the club want and is available then we'd sign them. If we're not signing them it's because the club don't want them. I promise you they're not just not signing somebody to **** you off. And I'm not saying it's black and white or that there's only 2 midfielders in the world that we want. I have no doubt there's a long list of midfielders the club are looking at (probably including Tielemans) but it's clear that the club have a very high bar when it comes to deciding on signings and if they don't believe x is going to be the long term answer to our needs then they won't move for them. As I've said multiple times now, it's not the perfect way of doing things but it's the way the club operate and it's worked on the whole for us. Signing x because on paper he's a small upgrade, only to need to upgrade him in 12 months makes no sense. After all, Utd signed Baily, Linderlof, Maguire and Varane - they were all upgrades on what went before and yet after spending a near £200m they still need improving their back line.

And you might not know why we've not signed a midfielder but it's pretty ****ing obvious to me, I mean Klopp literally spelt it out the other day. He said the club will only sign the right player and the financials have to make sense so the answer is the club haven't found the right player at the right price. Mine and your opinions on who we want count for ****.
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Well maybe he needs to stop waiting for Mr Perfect to come along. That player might not be there for a very long time. You can broaden your horizons. There’s lots of great midfielders out there. You don’t have to wait until they’re transfer listed, you can always approach a club with a good offer.
 
Tombstone said:
I've long since stopped believing that everything a manager says in an interview is the gospel truth. Pretty surprised though that they dont think Tielemans is the right player at the right price. Maybe I've been giving Klopp and the Club as much credit for their football nous as I give you :p
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Given how well we've done I'll take that as a compliment. I certainly give your opinions as much credit as I give Man Utd's transfer strategy over the past few years too.
robfosters said:
Well maybe he needs to stop waiting for Mr Perfect to come along. That player might not be there for a very long time. You can broaden your horizons. There’s lots of great midfielders out there. You don’t have to wait until they’re transfer listed, you can always approach a club with a good offer.
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I'm not sure if you think a transfer list is a real thing and I'm sure the club are aware that you can approach another club with an offer but if they're refusing to sell or asking for 3x what you think they're worth then there's not much you can do. As for maybe not waiting for Mr Perfect, doing that has meant Liverpool haven't signed players like Pepe for £70m. It's not a coincidence that the clubs that have just gone out and signed anybody and everybody are the clubs that have had less success than the clubs that have been very exact in who they want.

Again, so there's no confusion, I accept that our approach is not without it's issues. I've said for the past 18 months that I want us to sign another midfielder and I said that we should have signed a CB in 2018 when we couldn't get VVD initially. That's not what Liverpool do though and you'd be hard pushed to suggest they got it wrong very often in the past 6 years.
 
Tombstone said:
I dont see it happening. At times Klopp can be overly stubborn and too "loyal" to the players he currently has. I would be pretty surprised if another midfielder is bought. So they had best damned hope that Bellingham chooses them next summer or they're going to look pretty damned stupid.
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Bellingham whilst good I don't see him fixing issue entirely on his own.

I'd say two are needed, Milner is 37, Keita and Ox and Thiago never stay fit
 
BaZ87 said:
Given how well we've done I'll take that as a compliment. I certainly give your opinions as much credit as I give Man Utd's transfer strategy over the past few years too.
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I'm good with that, I've never acted or claimed that I have more insight or knowledge on football than any other normal person here, so my opinions shouldnt ever be given much credit :)
 
BaZ87 said:
Given how well we've done I'll take that as a compliment. I certainly give your opinions as much credit as I give Man Utd's transfer strategy over the past few years too.

I'm not sure if you think a transfer list is a real thing and I'm sure the club are aware that you can approach another club with an offer but if they're refusing to sell or asking for 3x what you think they're worth then there's not much you can do. As for maybe not waiting for Mr Perfect, doing that has meant Liverpool haven't signed players like Pepe for £70m. It's not a coincidence that the clubs that have just gone out and signed anybody and everybody are the clubs that have had less success than the clubs that have been very exact in who they want.

Again, so there's no confusion, I accept that our approach is not without it's issues. I've said for the past 18 months that I want us to sign another midfielder and I said that we should have signed a CB in 2018 when we couldn't get VVD initially. That's not what Liverpool do though and you'd be hard pushed to suggest they got it wrong very often in the past 6 years.
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Id give Nunez a bit more time before you mock us for Pepe, because atm it looks like you’ve signed an 85m mentalist
 
Mark1989 said:
Bellingham whilst good I don't see him fixing issue entirely on his own.

I'd say two are needed, Milner is 37, Keita and Ox and Thiago never stay fit
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I honestly dont think we will get Bellingham anyway, so I'm taking Bellingham with a very hefty piece of salt. Milner I do really rate for his professionalism and passion but I'd love to see him move into a coaching role now, I think he has A LOT to offer young players given his history and would really like to see him take a coaching role with the U-18/U-21 etc. Keita I have never felt was value for money , always been skeptical of him and not seen anything to date to dispel that. I'd sell him given the opportunity. Ox I really like as a person but as a player he isnt the standard we need. Thiago is obviously pure class but its like having a starship that breaks down for a year the moment it hits Warp 1 :)
 
robfosters said:
Id give Nunez a bit more time before you mock us for Pepe, because atm it looks like you’ve signed an 85m mentalist
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Why do I need to give Nunez more time? I've said about 10 times in the past hour that our approach isn't perfect but our approach is designed to minimise the risk of us signing duds. That doesn't mean we won't sign them but it's just less likely. Arsenal's transfer approach in previous years and Utd's in particular has been far less picky and it's no coincidence that you've both wasted more money.

edit: And I didn't use Pepe as an example to mock Arsenal, I used him as an example because many of the same Liverpool supporters currently losing their **** over us not having signed a CM were adamant Liverpool should have signed Pepe too.
 
BaZ87 said:
Why do I need to give Nunez more time? I've said about 10 times in the past hour that our approach isn't perfect but our approach is designed to minimise the risk of us signing duds. That doesn't mean we won't sign them but it's just less likely. Arsenal's transfer approach in previous years and Utd's in particular has been far less picky and it's no coincidence that you've both wasted more money.

edit: And I didn't use Pepe as an example to mock Arsenal, I used him as an example because many of the same Liverpool supporters currently losing their **** over us not having signed a CM were adamant Liverpool should have signed Pepe too.
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Got to ask, how much money have we wasted under Arteta v Klopp?
 
BaZ87 said:
I used him as an example because many of the same Liverpool supporters currently losing their **** over us not having signed a CM were adamant Liverpool should have signed Pepe too.
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I cant even remember tbh if I was for or against Pepe, I'd have to look back through my post history (I'll check) but then I am a lunatic so its possible :p

EDIT : Cant find anything about Pepe from me (most of the Pepe searches came back as being about Pepe Reina :D ) , just the one post which was more about general excitement of signing players rather than Pepe specifically as a player, so I guess I was neither pro or anti the idea of signing Pepe
 
robfosters said:
Got to ask, how much money have wasted under Arteta v Klopp?
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I have no idea (I can't even think of when Arteta took over) and no desire to search but I mentioned Arsenal in previous years when you were signing players like Sokratis, Luiz, Mkhitarayan etc etc. Arsenal's approach in the transfer market from the latter years of Wenger until more recently was very scatter gun and you cannot say it was very successful. Its clear in the last couple of seasons that things have improved and I'm fairly sure I was one of a very few that were defensive of your signings last summer when many were laughing.
Tombstone said:
I cant even remember tbh if I was for or against Pepe, I'd have to look back through my post history (I'll check) but then I am a lunatic so its possible :p
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I don't want to upset you but my posts aren't specifically about you but a noisy section of our fan base that prefer winning the transfer market than games of football. I'll leave you to decide whether you fall into that category.
 
BaZ87 said:
I don't want to upset you but my posts aren't specifically about you but a noisy section of our fan base that prefer winning the transfer market than games of football. I'll leave you to decide whether you fall into that category.
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I'm operating under the assumption that as I am one of the people who is crying out for us to sign a midfielder, that means that I do fall into that category :)
 
BaZ87 said:
I have no idea (I can't even think of when Arteta took over) and no desire to search but I mentioned Arsenal in previous years when you were signing players like Sokratis, Luiz, Mkhitarayan etc etc. Arsenal's approach in the transfer market from the latter years of Wenger until more recently was very scatter gun and you cannot say it was very successful. Its clear in the last couple of seasons that things have improved and I'm fairly sure I was one of a very few that were defensive of your signings last summer when many were laughing.

I don't want to upset you but my posts aren't specifically about you but a noisy section of our fan base that prefer winning the transfer market than games of football. I'll leave you to decide whether you fall into that category.
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I agree with you about the scatter gun approach, yes it didn’t work, there were a few good’uns including Tierney, Martinelli and Saliba, but not that many compared to the last two seasons. A lot of credit goes to Edu as well as Arteta. Being such a top player and member of the invincibles gives him a bit more clout and influence over players than the other businesmen type DoF.
 
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