Supplements the debate/discussion thread

Not really, it's .9% more pure iirc which is nothing considering the crap we expose our bodies to just living.
 
I find it's worth it, but only as it causes me no bloat unlike regular mono.

All the other variants of creatine do sweet fa for me results wise.
 
R3DBuLL said:
Anyone know if Creapure is worth the extra over regular mono?
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tom_e said:
Not really, it's .9% more pure iirc which is nothing considering the crap we expose our bodies to just living.
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thats not true, creapure if its legit is made in Germany, the other stuff will be made in china, for the price difference of a few quid, i would deffo go with creapure every time.

you know germans are well known for quality, etc. whereas the chinese are known for poor quality cheaper knock offs.

more info below

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=3160641

http://www.creapure.com/

this is their main contact

AlzChem Trostberg GmbH
CHEMIEPARK TROSTBERG
Dr. Albert-Frank-Straße 32
83308 Trostberg
Germany

for the sake of a few quid deffo get creapure.
 
Quitting boxing and getting back into the gym so I want to get good results in the quickest time possible so what suppliments would you guys recommend? I want to tone up and bulid up a little but most of all lose/burn fat off but don't know which would be best and not super expencive but not cheap crap that there is no point in using. I've only ever took a little 100 % whey post workout but I never really stuck to it.

This looks great and easy to follow because its a pack rather than buying Whey, multivitamans, creatine, and somthing that speeds up your metabolic rate.

http://www.myprotein.com/uk/products/the-big-deal-bundle

Seems a bit steep for me @ £50 a month, I mean its ok this month as I have money. Should I get somthing like this for the first month then swich to cheaper bang for buck supplements?


EDIT: Also would like stuff that doesn't have sweeteners in it or flavour, heard it isn't as good, anyways I don't mind the taste :)
 
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Well the last 2-3 weeks I have been eating pretty healthy with lots of fruit + some veg as I can only stand a few just because of the texture haha! Been eating plain porrige for brekkie, bannana/apple for a snack then sandwich for lunch, another snack then a large shake before I go to boxing/gym then grilled chicken + rice/curry (home made) and a lot of different things wiuth rice as I love it :) Stopped eating pasta as I've been told that it isn't too good for you :( gutter really as its very hard not to because I love it! I do have the odd days where I stray for somthing not too healthy and maybe eat a few cookies but much better than before as I could eat a full pack XD
 
Are you trying to lose weight or gain muscle with that diet? Although actually it isn't great for either :p

Good to hear that you've made a change though, it's the most important step. Look to add more protein throughout the day, particularly at breakfast. Also, don't rely on fruit as being "healthy", it's full of sugar and veg is far better for you in general.
 
Want the best of both really, now that I've made the change I'm open to changing my diet and such just wondering what multivitamins, protein powders and creatine are the best bang for buck, was thinking of working out a programme with a family friend who is a personal trainer at a nearby gym and going with that bundle as it seems like a good All rounder to start with for the first month or two.

I'm 5,6 about 70 kg and have quite a bit of muscle but my stomach and lower side/back have a bit of fat on it so it looks a bit pogey XD want to shift that and be lean + cut look if you know what I mean. Also looking at trying out frozen vegetables. Going shopping on Saturday to pick up more healthy eating stuff but the supplements would have to be orderd tomorrow as I want to start on Monday as I have a weeks holiday to get used to the training and a strict change of lifestyle (diet) :)
 
stiv121 said:
Want the best of both really, now that I've made the change I'm open to changing my diet and such just wondering what multivitamins, protein powders and creatine are the best bang for buck, was thinking of working out a programme with a family friend who is a personal trainer at a nearby gym and going with that bundle as it seems like a good All rounder to start with for the first month or two.

I'm 5,6 about 70 kg and have quite a bit of muscle but my stomach and lower side/back have a bit of fat on it so it looks a bit pogey XD want to shift that and be lean + cut look if you know what I mean. Also looking at trying out frozen vegetables. Going shopping on Saturday to pick up more healthy eating stuff but the supplements would have to be orderd tomorrow as I want to start on Monday as I have a weeks holiday to get used to the training and a strict change of lifestyle (diet) :)
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supplements are not the key diet and training is.

also you stated above that someone said pasta is bad for you? lmao, seriously? its the exact same thing as rice and bread, its slow digesting carbs, which are good for you so long as you know how much to eat. pasta is better than fruit imo, as its much better to get your vitamins and minerals from vegetables.

i suggest you actually research nutrition thoroughly, this supplement thread is the worst place to start, i suggest you move to the gym rats thread and ask for "diet" and nutrition advice in there. then come back here in 3 months time for supplement advice.

as said before diet is key not supplementation.

there is no such thing as best bang for buck supplement really, well there is but they are most likely the "illegal" ones and cannot be talked about on here and i would seriously recommend someone in your shoes to not even think about them as you have zero knowledge on the subject.

anyway supplements which should help someone whose diet is in order are:

fish oil / omega 3-6-9 / cod liver oil / flax seed oil (any 1 or a combo)
whey protein
creatine

that is all, stuff like multivitamins, oats, etc should only be used if your diet is lacking in those things. spending £50 on that pack is going to do you zero favours since your diet is not right.

other things will help too but are not essential such as BCAA, etc but those are expensive and "extras" so to speak and can be avoided in most cases.

anyway this is the wrong place to be looking, you have some serious reading to do on nutrition before thinking about supplements. supplements should be used to fill holes in your diet, and not used as the foundations of your diet.
 
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Ordered a 5kg bag of unflavoured from IS a few weeks ago, and only just opened it today. HORRIBLE! Have used unflavoured from other retailers in the past so know what to expect, but this batch from IS is borderline undrinkable. It froths up in a shaker into a massive foam, as well as having the most horrible after taste. I'm really not fussy about shakes taste (hence buying unflavoured) but it really is bad! Never had this problem with my last batch of their flavoured stuff so assume they've changed suppliers since then.

Back to MP for me next time I think, assuming I ever get to the bottom of this bag.
 
Clum said:
Ordered a 5kg bag of unflavoured from IS a few weeks ago, and only just opened it today. HORRIBLE! Have used unflavoured from other retailers in the past so know what to expect, but this batch from IS is borderline undrinkable. It froths up in a shaker into a massive foam, as well as having the most horrible after taste. I'm really not fussy about shakes taste (hence buying unflavoured) but it really is bad! Never had this problem with my last batch of their flavoured stuff so assume they've changed suppliers since then.

Back to MP for me next time I think, assuming I ever get to the bottom of this bag.
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in different seasons, suppliers usually source their whey from different regions of the planet. MP have also had issues in the past as have other companies like PHD, etc.

use some nesquick with it, or sell it to someone on here or someone you know local.
 
Thought I'd post this up.

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http://www.bodybuildingwarehouse.co.uk/special-generic-labz-3d-explosion---300g-5479-p.asp
My Jack3d tub ran out a couple weeks ago and was pondering over some Muscletech Neurocore after Steedie recommended it, but this looks like a good bargain!

Also, ZMA? I've heard it improves sleep? I've always struggled to doze off so any help here would be nice, plus any other benefits. What's the dealio?
 
I tried ZMA, in fact I still have 3/4 of a pot of pills left because I found it didn't really do anything. I remember BennyC saying it made him lucid dream which is the reason I bought the stuff! But no, didn't really have any effect. Might be worth a trying for yourself though. If I REALLY need to sleep I'll take some GHB but I think you'll struggle getting hold of that!
 
zma supposedly has a range of benefits, its basically just zinc and magnesium is it not?

when i was looking to buy it, i saw the price and thought it wont be worth it, its very expensive is it not?

why not go to your local supermarket and pick up some zinc and magnesium tablets and take them together instead?
 
Cristian said:
well that way supplement companies wouldn't make a huge profit would they?
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its ridiculous the price of some stuff, when it becomes a bodybuilding supplement over a normal supplement, as if there is a special bodybuilder tax.

same with a normal ring and an engagement ring, they just add the extra on because they know idiots will pay it. marketing at its finest :rolleyes:.

tesco is the cheapest (just looked on mysupermarket)

90 tabs of magnesium (300mg) is £4 (4.4p per tablet)
540 tabs of zinc (15mg) is £7.76 (1.4p per tablet)


zma from myprotein is £11 for 90 capsules of which:

Amount per 3 capsule serving:
Magnesium (from Citrate and Oxide): 450mg
Zinc (from L-Monomethionine and Aspartate): 30 mg
Vitamin B-6 (from Pyridoxine HCI): 10.5mg

30 servings for £11

at those dosages at tesco you get 60 servings of magnesium for £4 and 270 servings of zinc for £7.76

it works out at like 1/3rd of the price, as i thought, it's not worth buying it from a bodybuilding supplement supplier. get down to tesco instead.
 
I was planning on getting from bulksuppsdirect probably (100 tabs, 1.5x strength of MP for £15). Any aid in sleep is what I'm after, natural test boosters are as far as I can tell snake oil tbh. Anything potent enough to make a difference will need PCT, and anything that needs PCT is an ethical gray area for me.
 
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