support for the british worker

LabR@t · 31 Jan 2009 at 20:40

[TW]Fox;13399391 said:
Manufacturing becomes less sustainable the more a country develops. The more a country develops, the higher the standard of living of its citizens. The higher the standard of living of its citizens, the higher the wages they demand. The higher the wages they demand, the higher the cost of having a manufacturing base in the country and the higher the cost of the products the country manufacturers.

Germany,japan, developed nations with big industries

LabR@t · 31 Jan 2009 at 20:43

Chimerical said:
Taken from another thread.

manufacturing british products or assembling some japanese car?

Pudney · 31 Jan 2009 at 20:44

LabR@t said:
manufacturing british products or assembling some japanese car?

Does it matter? Or is that job not good enough?

Chimerical · 31 Jan 2009 at 20:45

LabR@t said:
manufacturing british products or assembling some japanese car?

What? Who cares what it is, it generates income.

You were saying, how can we survive without money from manufacturing where you not?

Well, theres your answer.

LabR@t · 31 Jan 2009 at 20:46

Pudney@work said:
Does it matter? Or is that job not good enough?

i was just talking about british products not the jobs. I was refering to the decline in british industry not the current situation.

Pudney · 31 Jan 2009 at 20:49

LabR@t said:
i was just talking about british products not the jobs.

Yeah, but you're not happy that British jobs are being given to foreign (Italian) workers. Now, what's the problem with the Japanese getting us to make their cars? As you have to remember a lot of it will actually be manufactured in the UK. So a Japanese company is helping British industry and this is a problem because it was designed by the Japanese? Seriously, what?....

Chimerical · 31 Jan 2009 at 20:49

LabR@t said:
i was just talking about british products not the jobs.

Erm lol. Sounds like you're trying to be deliberately combative or just can't admit when you're wrong.

There are other products that you can produce besides BMW's.

mattheman · 31 Jan 2009 at 20:50

just wait till middles class jobs are outsourced, then we'll hear the moaning.

mattheman · 31 Jan 2009 at 20:51

Pudney@work said:
Yeah, but you're not happy that British jobs are being given to foreign (Italian) workers. Now, what's the problem with the Japanese getting us to make their cars? As you have to remember a lot of it will actually be manufactured in the UK. So a Japanese company is helping British industry and this is a problem because it was designed by the Japanese? Seriously, what?....

they arent doing because they want too, they are doing for various reasons, tax being one of them.

Chimerical · 31 Jan 2009 at 20:53

mattheman said:
they arent doing because they want too, they are doing for various reasons, tax being one of them.

And?

Who cares why they doing it. If its good business, then thats the only reason they need.

LabR@t · 31 Jan 2009 at 20:53

you are muddling the point i am making. i am not against investment into this country far from it Britain has been at the forefront or nearly all industrial and technological achievement in the last 200 years and for good reason.

Pudney · 31 Jan 2009 at 21:00

LabR@t said:
you are muddling the point i am making. i am not against investment into this country far from it Britain has been at the forefront or nearly all industrial and technological achievement in the last 200 years and for good reason.

Ok, all well and good. But how does construction work (essentially) going to cheaper legal european workers affect this?

The simple point is, the original problem this thread was created for is due to consumer demand for low prices making companies go for competitive, hopefully legal processes to minimise costs. Now times are getting harder what we as consumers have created is now being attacked, and when prices were to go up because campaigners were successful the companies would again be attacked. This is a case of not being able to have your cake and eat it.

LabR@t · 31 Jan 2009 at 21:03

corporate greed, increased dividends more likely. Us the end consumer gets stuffed with higher prices regardless.

Locky · 31 Jan 2009 at 21:08

In that video I have just watched, half of the people speaking can't even string a decent sentence together.

Sagalout · 31 Jan 2009 at 21:14

British jobs for British people - Hhmm, does this mean we'd have to bring back the 11million british expats 'stealing' jobs in other countries?

cheets64 · 31 Jan 2009 at 21:15

Locky said:
In that video I have just watched, half of the people speaking can't even string a decent sentence together.

Manufacturing is not about speaking the Queens English, look at what silver spoon bankers and stock brokers has done to the world, absolutely ruined it for out generation and the generations below us.

[TW]Fox · 31 Jan 2009 at 21:22

LabR@t said:
Germany,japan, developed nations with big industries

Japan is a special case, there is a completely different culture there. Germany is hugely trade protectionist...

LabR@t · 31 Jan 2009 at 21:27

[TW]Fox;13399676 said:
Japan is a special case, there is a completely different culture there. Germany is hugely trade protectionist...

? your point being

Sagalout · 31 Jan 2009 at 21:36

We flooded Germany with cheap construction workers in the 80's

squawkBOX · 31 Jan 2009 at 21:44

LabR@t said:
And what about those who have not got the skills to be trained or who education is not an option you are assigning them to the scrap heap the underclass a lot of these people like to work manual work but deserve the right to an honest days work for an honest days pay. Are you saying we write this people off to a life on benefits?

Do we really want to live in a society that rewards non productive low skilled labour? I don't think so.

If people don't have the skills, then they 1) should undertake activity that would increase their skills. 2) accept that they are going to lose out on employment to other more efficient individuals.

we need the majority of our nationals to be in employment not stuck at the bottom just so we can provide jobs for those who are more fortunate to have a better education from other countries.

Full employment isn't going to ever happen, and again I'd rather we live in a world where comparative advantage takes place. It lowers the cost, it is more efficient and is less wasteful of our limited resources that we have in the world.

"British jobs for British People"

*cringe*

Social and employment mobility are key factors in our now globalised economy, we can sit back and suffocate ourselves or alternatively, we can invest in ourselves (whether that be through education, skills, training etc.) and keep competing with other countries with the best educated, talented and world class citizens/employees.