support for the british worker

just watch as all the other eu countries look after their own its always the same they flaunt the rules and pick the ones that suit them.

its always the same, so come on people its about time we spoke up against those liberal eu loving political correct morons who run this country. And i bet those in this thread who have spoke out against this probably have never had their jobs stolen, watched their pay rates tumble as those in the construction industry have.

Go visit a proper working class area and see whats happening get out of your sleeping cu-de-sac and open your eyes the world is changing ...

trouble in france, greece, iceland and now today russia the workers want change and when the massive unite you had better watch out.
 
Deadly Ferret said:
PS: Considering the ramifications of that referendum, and the ever-declining position in which it renders us, shouldn't there be a recurring referendum on say a 5 or 10 yearly basis to prevent people in the present suffering the consequences of decisions taken before their time? That is, afterall, why we have general elections (in principle at least! ;))
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totally agree those before us thought they were doing the right thing trying to tie up europe to protect us from the spectre of the cold war, times change We should not be stuck with yesterdays generations decision.
 
mario_bros said:
The Voice from a foreign worker in the UK:

I agree in part with you. I know that many foreigners just come here for money and to take advantage of some benefits, then they go back to their countries.
But that is only part of the story.

As a foreigner, I can see every day that I do work with a better quality than most of my colleagues (nationals) at work.
Also as a foreigner, in the last two years I have contributed with my qualified work and taxes to this country, even more than many nationals.

For me it is sad to see here in the UK, that lots of young people don't go to Uni, or even they don't finish College. I have a degree in IT, in one of the Unis with the best reputation in South America. And only here in England I have seen that many people are at positions of "managers" even when they have just a basic education.

I think that the best thing British people (specially young people) can do, is to study and to work offering quality.

Young people/Brits, just study, and offer quality in everything you do, that is the best way to compete.
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have you seen how much it costs to get a decent education in this country! Parents can no longer afford to pay to put kids through uni.

there is and always be some who don't want to work but there are 1000's of freshly redundant who do want to work.
i am not saying we don't need skilled workers comming to this country to fill some positions but when you have 1000's coming here for semi skilled work ist just wrong
 
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squawkBOX said:
I despise this debate, I really do. As generally those who are "British jobs for British workers" generally follow the general trend of:

1) lower skilled jobs
2) don't have the ability to adapt to change
3) have no understanding about the economic benefits of comparative advantage.

I would rather follow the model of comparative advantage - with free trade and those who have the best skills at conducting a particular activity doing so.

The upside of this policy, is that it would force the country to become a highly skilled/educated and help not just on the job front but many other elements in society.
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And what about those who have not got the skills to be trained or who education is not an option you are assigning them to the scrap heap the underclass a lot of these people like to work manual work but deserve the right to an honest days work for an honest days pay. Are you saying we write this people off to a life on benefits? we need the majority of our nationals to be in employment not stuck at the bottom just so we can provide jobs for those who are more fortunate to have a better education from other countries.


"British jobs for British People"
 
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[TW]Fox;13399350 said:
Thats handy, because they no longer need too - there are two seperate loans offered, one for day to day living costs and another for the increased tuition fees. The parents need not pay any of the fees at all if they dont want to.

Handy that, eh?
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and be saddled with tens of 1000's pounds of debt just as you start you career, yeah real handy that!

wonder why people are so far in debt and needed to borrow so much just to get on the property ladder? when years are spent paying back student debts
 
Pudney@work said:
Exactly, the tidal wave of "British work for British people" should examine why they (most likely) go to shops and buy the south american fruit/vegetables and other produce from around the globe. Capitalism is great when it saves you money firsthand, but when that same economic force creates a perfectly understandable business decision to go for the cheaper labour option a storm is created.
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You be lucky to find any British products all our manufacturing industries have been savaged down the years. The main factors in our economy are financial and retail where is our hard industry our manufacturing industry gone?
 
[TW]Fox;13399391 said:
Manufacturing becomes less sustainable the more a country develops. The more a country develops, the higher the standard of living of its citizens. The higher the standard of living of its citizens, the higher the wages they demand. The higher the wages they demand, the higher the cost of having a manufacturing base in the country and the higher the cost of the products the country manufacturers.
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Germany,japan, developed nations with big industries
 
you are muddling the point i am making. i am not against investment into this country far from it Britain has been at the forefront or nearly all industrial and technological achievement in the last 200 years and for good reason.
 
globalisation is what got us into this mess. its why i have to buy goods from the other side of the world and not british as the corporations can source ridiculously priced goods from poorer nations keeping them poor and our producers stuck.

the great social experiment is failing
 
Kappa said:
THE most ridiculous sentence in this thread.

How can you not have the skills to learn skills?

Basically what you're saying is people who are not willing to learn or educate themselves deserve an honest days pay.
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not all work requires a skill you know, some work is just hard honest manual labour.
 
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DrDee said:
A quote from another forum that rang some truth to me. People do not have a right to a job, they must work to get and keep one.

Add to that, with the onset of competition to better the market there are casualties, such is life.
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what is it with the demonisation of the british worker not all british workers are lazy? not all foreign workers are these super efficient highly skilled polite good people who come here for the good of our country
 
Kappa said:
If anything my experience tells me that the stereotype has some truth. We work closely with our offices in Germany and they just seem to do a higher standard of work than our offices. One thing I will say though, our managers are very good.
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you a manager by any chance?

i work for a multi national company and the standard of work out of our dept far out shines that from italy,germany,malayasia only USA have anywhere near the level of skill and expertise
 
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