Discrimination happens regardless of the law, legislating against it is like trying to say "all jobs must be offered on merit and recommendations from managers alone are insufficient". How are you going to prove you didn't get the job because of X anyway? You could say "all the workers are white" and cry racism, but that won't work if 95% of the locals are also white. Statistics would be against your claim.
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Discrimination happens regardless of the law, legislating against it is like trying to say "all jobs must be offered on merit and recommendations from managers alone are insufficient". How are you going to prove you didn't get the job because of X anyway? You could say "all the workers are white" and cry racism, but that won't work if 95% of the locals are also white. Statistics would be against your claim.
The difference is nationality. Or do you think it's racist that places like GCHQ require British nationality before you can work there?
It is quite sickening seeing the direction this country is heading in. I really do feel concerned for the future of Britain, and its got nothing to do with the "credit crunch."
The government have stripped Britain of its heritage and identity and seem to want to turn us into another generic European state. Its like this craze has engulfed them and they seem more bothered about what Europeans want than want the actual population of British people want.
Over the last 5 years I've increasingly felt as if this government is doing whatever the hell it wants, regardless of what the actual population wants.
That might be a bit naive of me, but I dont know if its just me getting older or not, but it seems as if this people's government is more of a dictatorship. But the sad thing is, I cant see the conservatives being any better. Everytime I hear a politician speak or propose ideas, I just want to punch their face in. They're so out of tune with the population that its as if they're governing the country for Europeans and eventually want to kick British people out.
What can I do, as a citizen, to stop this government from turning the country into something I dont want? Vote non-labour next election? I'm certainly not voting for the conservatives as they seem even more pathetic.
The government have stripped Britain of its heritage and identity and seem to want to turn us into another generic European state. Its like this craze has engulfed them and they seem more bothered about what Europeans want than want the actual population of British people want.
Over the last 5 years I've increasingly felt as if this government is doing whatever the hell it wants, regardless of what the actual population wants.
That might be a bit naive of me, but I dont know if its just me getting older or not, but it seems as if this people's government is more of a dictatorship. But the sad thing is, I cant see the conservatives being any better. Everytime I hear a politician speak or propose ideas, I just want to punch their face in. They're so out of tune with the population that its as if they're governing the country for Europeans and eventually want to kick British people out.
What can I do, as a citizen, to stop this government from turning the country into something I dont want? Vote non-labour next election? I'm certainly not voting for the conservatives as they seem even more pathetic.
Take your pic
:* Labour Party
* Conservative Party
* Liberal Democrats
* Scottish National Party (SNP)
* Plaid Cymru - the Party of Wales
* Democratic Unionist Party (DUP)
* Sinn Féin
* Social Democratic and Labour Party (SDLP)
* Ulster Unionist Party (UUP)
* Green Party
* Respect
* UK Independence Party (UKIP)
Although I'm not upto date with voting so I dunno which ones you can actually vote for, probably only half of them.
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Well considering that such laws are used regularly I'd say proving that such is based on race discrimination is relatively simple. In this case people are going beyond wanting 'tacit' racism - they want laws enforcing it and 'british jobs for british workers' rather than 'british jobs for the most talented and able'.
In GCHQ your nationality is relevant in your perceived ability to do the job, in working for Total your nationality is irrelevant - just like your skin colour or religion.
I'd suggest that if you don't like it, you either do something about it making use of the democratic process or leave - simple really.
So GCHQ is racist because it perceives British nationals as "more able"?
The fact is that in the next few years, the British government is going to be borrowing a lot of money to get the economy moving again. This money will be used to buy goods and services from companies, both British and EU companies (EDF for example to build new nuclear power stations). This money will all have to be paid by British taxpayers, not French taxpayers, not Italian taxpayers. Therefore what is the point in borrowing the money in the first place if these companies are going to bring in workers from abroad, put them up in "floating accomodation", feed them and cloth them?
If we tolerate this situation on a large scale, then hardly any of this money that British taxpayers will be paying back for the next 20 years will actually make its way into the British economy. Sure we might have nice new nuclear power stations, but no-one will be using the power they generate as we'll all be living in shanty-towns. I really hoped that with this credit crisis the people who matter would stop thinking about the extreme-short term all the time
So GCHQ is racist because it perceives British nationals as "more able"?
The GCHQ is irrelevant because national security is a derogation from the principle of non-discrimination, and plainly having British nationals working in the intelligence services falls within this.
As far as I'm aware EU workers still have to pay tax and NI contributions...
If we tolerate this situation on a large scale, then hardly any of this money that British taxpayers will be paying back for the next 20 years will actually make its way into the British economy. Sure we might have nice new nuclear power stations, but no-one will be using the power they generate as we'll all be living in shanty-towns. I really hoped that with this credit crisis the people who matter would stop thinking about the extreme-short term all the time
Only if they are domiciled in the UK. In the case of these Italian workers in Lincolnshire, they pay Italian tax and NI equivalents as they are posted workers.
I'ts not irrationally discriminating thought is it. It's dicriminating to put the interests of the country and it's citizens first. The diffence to the an out of towner getting the job and a foreigner getting a job is that this countries employment goes down and more tax is generated by this person having a job over a foreigner, whereas there is no difference to someone living in aonother part of the UK getting a job in another location.