According to the tabloid press...
Swine Flu Immunisation
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Absolutely, but being somebody who has just had sleepless nights, hallucinations and sleep paralysis from flu.... flu is not nice.
Exactly (which is why I don't read that scare mongering trash), however even government figures believed that up to 50k+ may die, before that was reduced significantly a few months ago. To my knowledge there have been around 100 deaths? Hardly a pandemic is it...
I have had flu before, however I also know Tamiflu isn't really going to make your symptoms any better (in fact worse in most cases) and for the vast majority of people it will only reduce the Viruses effects by 24 hours...
The vaccine on the other hand. Like Freefaller i'm not one to put drugs into my body, be it tobacco, alcohol or paracetomol unless I really need to so a slight chance of catching flu is a risk i'm willing to take.
EDIT: It's apparenty 180 deaths from Swine flu although I would be interested to know if all the deaths were verified. Having said that I'd like to compare it to the death tolls from other seasonal flus and see the difference. Also remember that since around June (aound the time it first appeared) probably close to 1500 people have died on the roads... So essentially you are 10 times more likely to die from a car crash than swine flu...
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Exactly (which is why I don't read that scare mongering trash), however even government figures believed that up to 50k+ may die, before that was reduced significantly a few months ago. To my knowledge there have been around 100 deaths? Hardly a pandemic is it...
I have had flu before, however I also know Tamiflu isn't really going to make your symptoms any better (in fact worse in most cases) and for the vast majority of people it will only reduce the Viruses effects by 24 hours...
The vaccine on the other hand. Like Freefaller i'm not one to put drugs into my body, be it tobacco, alcohol or paracetomol unless I really need to so a slight chance of catching flu is a risk i'm willing to take.
EDIT: It's apparenty 180 deaths from Swine flu although I would be interested to know if all the deaths were verified. Having said that I'd like to compare it to the death tolls from other seasonal flus and see the difference. Also remember that since around June (aound the time it first appeared) probably close to 1500 people have died on the roads... So essentially you are 10 times more likely to die from a car crash than swine flu...
I completely agree that it has been hyped up ridiculously by the media, but remember that death toll does not equate to pandemic. It's a serious disease because of how quickly it can spread (normal flu spreads slower because in human populations a proportion of that population will be immune to a particular strain - this is not the case with swine flu) and get to those who are vulnerable. So I understand why you may view it the way you do, but I assure you it is of concern. Not panic, concern.
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I wouldn't take it, nor would I take flu jab.
Swine flu is no worse than seasonal flu (more people die from seasonal flu anyway) and since i've never had flu in my life i'll let my immune system continue to do what its always done rather than inject something of which long term effects are unknown.
Swine flu is no worse than seasonal flu (more people die from seasonal flu anyway) and since i've never had flu in my life i'll let my immune system continue to do what its always done rather than inject something of which long term effects are unknown.
To put this more into context here:
When a vaccination is given doctors *must* tag any disease a person reports having for a few week even if there's absolutely no connection. Remember that girl that died a day or two after getting the HPV vaccine in the UK? That'll be tagged onto the database about the HPV vaccine. Even though they found a huge, malignant tumour in her chest during the post mortem. So something being tagged as a possible side effect of a vaccine doesn't really say that much.
A lot of the hype about swine flu was scientifically justified in the beginning. The problem with H1N1 was that the 1918 Spanish flu was H1N1 and it ended up killing 50 million + people in the first wave of infection. Nobody knew if the swine version would be as deadly, so they made worst-case scenario plans. Thing is, unlike the scientists the media haven't twigged that things aren't on course for a worst-case scenario at the moment.
Even if you take it, doesn't mean you wont have a bad time catching swine flu.
Look at all the people, maybe even yourselves who take the seasonal one and how crap it still effects you.
Even some people who don't take it never even get effected.
We are all different, I'd rather not add another random chance to get ill.
Look at all the people, maybe even yourselves who take the seasonal one and how crap it still effects you.
Even some people who don't take it never even get effected.
We are all different, I'd rather not add another random chance to get ill.
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I read them in the news papers, but just doing a quick google for pro/anti swine flu vaccination there's a lot of contradictory information and arguments for an against it. That's all I'm saying.
I'm sure flu isn't nice - but my body will cope with it fine, I'll feel sorry for myself for a bit I guess, I've not really ever had a cold to my knowledge in my nigh on 3 decades in this world. So based on my health, and strong immune system, I'm going to take my chances. Though I did almost get malaria as a kid when I was living in a malaria area, but luckily was only symptomatic and never fully caught it (I just spoke to my mother
- by the time I got the tablets there was no need to take 'em 
). Am I being selfish? I don't think I am - I'm letting more people have access to the vaccine that need it. If I get it (swine flu), the chances of me spreading it are slim as I'll go by the proper protocols (I'm good at procedure and compliance
). However, I genuinely feel not at risk of getting it, purely owing to the fact that I've been exposed to lots of different diseases (as we all have, and the older you are the more you're exposed to - bear in mind I've gone to the 4 corners of the earth many times) and I'm still here alive and kicking! 
Ok, so I sound a little arrogant and "better than thou" I don't mean to, I'm just stupefied by the fuss made over something which from what I've read (and possibly misunderstood) is not really a big deal.
that's because the seasonal one is only for the mutation/strain is they think will be most likely you are still vulnerable to the countless other strains and mutations.
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You don't understand vaccination.k, so I sound a little arrogant and "better than thou" I don't mean to, I'm just stupefied by the fuss made over something which from what I've read (and possibly misunderstood) is not really a big deal.
This isn't just to prevent me or you from getting swine flu. It is to protect the vulnerable in the herd - the mass vaccination is (as well as directly vaccinating the truly vulnerable) for herd immunity.
Utter crap - it isn't 50/50 for and against vaccination - even if you are just considering yourself (in which case, you are severely misguided).
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Correct - any exposure to the Influenza virus will present GBS in a patient who has the genetic predisposition (whether this is via vaccination or the live virus).
To protect the vulnerable? You mean those who've already or are taking the vaccination?
If they take the vaccination and so are protected then its all good right?
So the healthy person doesn't have to feel guilty at not helping with "herd immunity" protection...
win:win ?
How about the vulnerable who, for whatever reason, cannot take the vaccine for genuine reasons (rather than insane paranoia)?
Herd immunity is about protecting those who cannot have vaccinations, and is the entire purpose of vaccinations. Herd immunity is what leads to viruses being wiped out in parts of the world (small pox in the UK)
There is almost no chance of catching the disease from vaccination, the HN1N vaccine is a non-live vaccine. As has been mentioned if it was caught in the days after having the jab it is assumed you were a carrier pre vaccination.
I am getting my jab on Friday, shame the accelerator seems to give people a sore arm, but its like most vaccines, so hey ho...
Ahh right i see - who might not be able to get the vaccination? Obviously for health reasons you mean?
ahh you mean like some pregnant women, those with cancer and other illnesses whose immune systems wouldnt be able to cope?
Arent they already in health care? What i mean is- im in favour of health workers getting the vaccine because of their work but for the average healthy person who has zero contact with seriously ill patients and therefore would not be a risk to them surely?
ahh you mean like some pregnant women, those with cancer and other illnesses whose immune systems wouldnt be able to cope?
Arent they already in health care? What i mean is- im in favour of health workers getting the vaccine because of their work but for the average healthy person who has zero contact with seriously ill patients and therefore would not be a risk to them surely?
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Ok so it's to protect the weak and those intolerant or unable to receive the vaccination, yes? Well in which case I am being selfish, but I'm still not taking the vaccine.
I'm not going to say "tough too bad for them" or bring natural selection into it, because I think modern medicine is a marvel, but it's also slightly arrogant. Heck I've just had laser eye surgery, best thing I've ever done, so yes a bit of a hypocrite I may be. I wouldn't wish an ailment on anyone, whether weak or not, everyone deserves a fair chance at life, and a life in health - but let's face it some people get ill and some are weak and will suffer. It's a horrid situation, but as much as I'd love to help, I'm not compromising my health, or changing my mind. Well it may be utter crap darling, but like I said, I've read as many reports for the vaccination as against, hence my understanding and probably weak explanation of what I mean by 50/50. Still, as I keep saying I have no issues with people taking the vaccine and good on them for doing it - I'm just not interested.
The herd has survived just fine for many millenia without vaccinations.
Not the same thing. The human race would have been completely different if we weren't moulded in part by disease.
Saying that we've survived just fine is misleading, because the particularly vulnerable have died off already.
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Natural selection is still active now, but it's just presenting itself in nastier ways as our medicine is getting better. We'll never be able to prevent all diseases - nature will never allow it.