Swine Flu Immunisation

[Art]

Natural selection is still active now, but it's just presenting itself in nastier ways as our medicine is getting better. We'll never be able to prevent all diseases - nature will never allow it.

Not realistically anyway, but that still doesn't make mmj_uk's point valid. Some people that are more susceptible to disease X could be protected if enough people took advantage of modern medicine when appropriate. Does it matter if the human race has lived through diseases before? The whole herd immunity concept is about preventing the spread and suffering of the disease not just to the people that get the vaccine, but also the people that don't. If the people that can take the vaccine do it'll save people that can't for whatever reason.

This was the exact problem with the MMR. When the scare happened parents wouldn't let their children get vaccinated. The rate dipped below the herd immunity rate so viruses like measles began to actively spread again instead of dying out. The end result was that several un-vaccinated children died, and you can be fairly confident that they wouldn't have contracted measles if the herd was immune.

 

[Freefaller]

Yeah, it's quite interesting. However sometimes you do wonder if by keeping certain offspring alive whether or not we're doing the human race any favours... I know it's a very harsh thing to say, and I don't mean it, it's more of a rhetorical question.

Please do not take this as a an attack on anyone who's got kids, I do not mean that. It's absolutely daft not to do everything in your power to protect your off spring.

Oh and if someone in my family were ill, I can assure you I'd be the first one kicking the door down to the hospital drug room to get them whatever they need (I mean this in a figurative way).

 

[ethan]

You might get a swollen arm, from what I've heard.

That is so true lol. Had to have both last saturday: seasonal and swine....It took about 10 hours for the swelling which on me was quite severe-sort of like having two forks stabbed into your shoulders. Fine after 24 hours though.

 

[.Lethal]

I am normally thinking what Freefaller is saying however when I was offered the swine flu jab after thinking about it I went ahead and had it done.

1 thing I would like to add is that the side effects are not the same as the seasonal flu jab, most people that had that don't have any side effects. With the swine flu jab most if not all (apart from 1 or 2 in my work place) had minor effects, these ranged from.

Numbness in arm
Headaches
Feeling weak
Unable to sleep on the arm where you had the jab for a 2/3 nights.

Those 4 were the most common and I have to STRESS the side effects were very mild/weak. When I talk about feeling weak I am not saying we couldn't move around, we just felt quite worn down, the headaches were quite weak but a bit of a pain. The biggest problem was trying not to sleep on the arm.

I had the jab on a Monday, by the end of Thursday no one had any lasting side effects.

Reading this thread it sounds like people are reading the side effects like there is a great chance that something bad will happen, its quite sad really because this is media hype and paranoia getting the better of you. Maybe you need to wrap yourself up in cotton wool and shut yourself out from the rest of the world?

I can understand people like Freefaller who choose not to have it for his reasons, if I am ill I tend not to bother going to the doctors unless I have a chance to pass it on to others or would be off work for a much longer period than I would need to, and this is quite rare for me or most people.

 

[.Lethal]

That is so true lol. Had to have both last saturday: seasonal and swine....It took about 10 hours for the swelling which on me was quite severe-sort of like having two forks stabbed into your shoulders. Fine after 24 hours though.

A collegue in work last year had the seasonal flu jab but it lasted for 3 weeks and was a quite a bit worse..

She was advised not to have the jabs this year (including swine flu), one of the possible causes may have been due to an allergic reaction...

Although what you had specificly is one of the common side effects.

 

[Art]

However sometimes you do wonder if by keeping certain offspring alive whether or not we're doing the human race any favours... I know it's a very harsh thing to say, and I don't mean it, it's more of a rhetorical question.

That kind of thing can be a really interesting question though, if you're not serious about it. I think it's one of those things that just ends up being unexplored because people are too afraid of being branded psychotic/evil/racist etc.

 

[Vonhelmet]

Got sent a letter from the 'quack' today

Nice.

 

[Xordium]

That kind of thing can be a really interesting question though, if you're not serious about it. I think it's one of those things that just ends up being unexplored because people are too afraid of being branded psychotic/evil/racist etc.

It's very explored in the world of health care - just not very publicised bar the exceptional case that makes it to court.

In answer to the OP then no I will not be getting the immunisation for the same reason I never take the seasonal flu immunisations. I have now had so many vaccines against this and that I have ended up being hyper-allergic to it seems absolutely everything as have most of my friends. But for the general public this is not really an issue.

 

[LabR@t]

I'd be inclined to look at whats in it before injecting that into my body.

Apparently it has chemicals in it which cause gulf war syndrome and mercury.

I'd also wonder why the German government and army [along with lots more people] are being prescribed a different variant of the drug which doesnt include these two ingredients....

Do some googling, but this place has a lot of stories in one place.

http://www.theflucase.com/

But none of the stories have any facts backing them up !

I quote

Reports are coming in of planes flying low tonight over Cracow in Poland also over Derby in the Peak District in the UK.

"We're getting info from our readers in England - there are several slow and low flying planes over Derby "working" for a quite long time (inf from 11;07PM), there is a high wind."

Reports? reports from whom?

 

[LabR@t]

I am not getting the jab.

 

[Vonhelmet]

I'd be inclined to look at whats in it before injecting that into my body.

Apparently it has chemicals in it which cause gulf war syndrome and mercury.

I'd also wonder why the German government and army [along with lots more people] are being prescribed a different variant of the drug which doesnt include these two ingredients....

Do some googling, but this place has a lot of stories in one place.

http://www.theflucase.com/

EARTH HAS 4 CORNER
SIMULTANEOUS 4-DAY
TIME CUBE
IN ONLY 24 HOUR ROTATION.
4 CORNER DAYS, CUBES 4 QUAD EARTH- No 1 Day God.

 

[LabR@t]

EARTH HAS 4 CORNER
SIMULTANEOUS 4-DAY
TIME CUBE
IN ONLY 24 HOUR ROTATION.
4 CORNER DAYS, CUBES 4 QUAD EARTH- No 1 Day God.

? what

 

[oli collett]

I'd be inclined to look at whats in it before injecting that into my body.

Apparently it has chemicals in it which cause gulf war syndrome and mercury.

I'd also wonder why the German government and army [along with lots more people] are being prescribed a different variant of the drug which doesnt include these two ingredients....

Do some googling, but this place has a lot of stories in one place.

http://www.theflucase.com/

This logic still baffles me. The complete irrationality of people who seem to think that they know better about what to put in their body than a qualified medical professional, the thinking that "chemicals" have to have some kind of long term side effect... sigh

I keep banging on about bad science and whatnot on here but people still don't seem to get it.

First, when looking for evidence, google is not the starting point. How can you tell that there's 50/50 pro/against the vaccine? What material are you reading? Are you taking anecdotes on the same level as a qualified professionals advice? How are you taking peer reviewed published studies into account?

It's very explored in the world of health care - just not very publicised bar the exceptional case that makes it to court.

In answer to the OP then no I will not be getting the immunisation for the same reason I never take the seasonal flu immunisations. I have now had so many vaccines against this and that I have ended up being hyper-allergic to it seems absolutely everything as have most of my friends. But for the general public this is not really an issue.

Do you work in the healthcare world? Why do you think your allergies are linked to vaccination? It just sounds a wee bit like a correlation fallacy

As for Teki and the others talking about GBS

Finally, for the billionth time:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/

 

[LabR@t]

Finally, for the billionth time:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/

PubMed is a service of the U.S. National Library of Medicine and the National Institutes of Health.

Oh Of course the USA gov is to be trusted 100% i forgot

 

[Art]

Oh Of course the USA gov is to be trusted 100% i forgot

That research isn't done by the US govt., it's just a US govt. funded database. You should be able to find any of those papers in any science database like The Web Of Science, the difference is that PubMed is free for anyone to use.

That research will have been done by scientists that can be as independent and impartial as you can get.

 

[oli collett]

Oh Of course the USA gov is to be trusted 100% i forgot

Oh, yes, I forgot that bit, it must be biased, so let's just ignore the millions of independent, peer-reviewed, published papers on there, because it's a database funded by the government. Let's not bother even looking at the contents and instead say it can't be trusted because it's bigpharma/government.

I would like to term this logic "Icke's law". The idea that if any source produces or holds evidence contrary to one's beliefs, it must be biased.

 

[Nitefly]

Oh Of course the USA gov is to be trusted 100% i forgot

They fund the database, as the two above posts state. Sites like Web of Science and PubMed are the 'googles' of the scientific world - they allow you to search for papers on particular subjects. Web of Science really is quite excellent, as you can see papers which cite each other, allowing you to find the most up to date research with ease

 

[Gackt]

I've never had a flu jab in my life, so why would I have one now? And why all the ruckus over a rather pathetic excuse for an influenza virus anyway?

 

[Nitefly]

I've never had a flu jab in my life, so why would I have one now? And why all the ruckus over a rather pathetic excuse for an influenza virus anyway?

You might want one because it is more likely that you will encounter swine flu than typically seasonal flu. It might not be overly potent in it's current form, but flu is still an unpleasant experience regardless.

 

[Gackt]

You might want one because it is more likely that you will encounter swine flu than typically seasonal flu. It might not be overly potent in it's current form, but flu is still an unpleasant experience regardless.

Maybe, but I am of the mind that as long as I keep myself healthy that I should be well prepared for it. I don't really enjoy the idea of putting toxic chemicals into my body with the hope that it will provide me immunity from a weak flu.