Sydney knife attack

[Sankari]

You can have any surname and have any religious beliefs.

You can, but the claim being made on Twitter was that the killer was ethnically Jewish and that his name was Benjamin Cohen. People were even distributing a photo of a guy called Benhamin Cohen, whom they accused of being the killer. That guy should be lawyering up and looking to sue for defamation right now, IMHO.

A young Sydney man mistakenly identified as the Bondi Junction killer has hit out at those who “mindlessly” propagated the misinformation, including the Seven Network, saying it was distressing that so many were willing to spread the unverified claims.

Ben Cohen, a 20-year-old student at the University of Technology Sydney who lives in the eastern suburbs with his family, was misidentified as the person responsible for murdering six people at Westfield shopping centre in Bondi Junction on Saturday afternoon.

Cohen was named as the killer on social media, in particular on X, from about 8.30pm on Saturday. His name was soon trending, with thousands of comments, many of which drew attention to his Jewish identity.

(Source).

As usual, the self-styled 'internet sleuths' were wrong about everything.

 

[kakarott]

Joel Cauchi is neither a Jew nor a Muslim, and Cauchi is an Italian surname.

I said apparently. Not like all the others who were dead set on it including that grifter Tommy saying it was a Muslim.

 

[LOAM]

Nottingham, the NHS mental health system does not function. They don't offer treatments they offer consultations, people stop engaging because they don't receive treatments.

He was in treatment and then disengaged. It was part of the recent CQC enquiry. With my missus part of providing treatment within Nottingham NHS trust I would respectfully disagree with you. They are however horrifically underfunded.

 

[Bassmansam]

It just proves that no matter how safe or open minded or culturally diverse or closed minded a country is, bad **** still happens. People are always going to be the weak point in any system.

People snap, get influenced, or just something happens that make them go completely bat **** crazy.

Not making excuses at all, but this will keep happening as long as people exist. With the internet and the speed at which people can be exposed to information keeps increasing we'll just keep having this happening. Even before the internet and social media this happened it just took longer to brew.

Its been happening since man existed, no need to think your making excuses.

 

[Freefaller]

Its been happening since man existed, no need to think your making excuses.

I'm not? I literally said in my post, it's always happened.

 

[dowie]

We could still do more to prevent it - the idea of keeping so many mental cases in the community perhaps needs to be re-thought.

Some people are dangerous and ought to be locked up - we've seen this in Nottingham, we've seen it with some teen throwing a kid off the state gallery in London even with his handlers present.

We also need to sort out the deportations of failed asylum seekers and foreign criminals - the fact is plenty of killings occur as a result of dangerous mental people or religious fanatics who are already known to the authorities and ought to have either been kept in secure accommodation or deported. Australia perhaps does a better job there and dramatically reduced their issue with illegals by processing offshore, the UK meanwhile still has a farce trying to get the Rwanda scheme implemented and faces plenty of shenanigans from within the civil service and from NGOs and others (including the CofE) acting as useful idiots willing to be played by many who shouldn't be here.

 

[NZXT30]

Apparently he had worked as a male escort maybe that's why he might have targetted women? Well at least they can't call him an incel.

 

[Broken Hope]

Did he target women because he had a problem with women or because it would be easier with less chance of them fighting back?

He definitely avoided men as videos show him just walking past them.

 

[dowie]

Apparently he had worked as a male escort maybe that's why he might have targetted women? Well at least they can't call him an incel.

The fact that he posted an advert doesn't mean anyone booked him, could easily have still been an incel.

 

[TheVoice]

We have armed police, probably a lot more than you seem to think as IIRC quite a lot of "Traffic"/"Fast Response" cars double as ARV's (a lot of the equipment and training is the same*, as well as armed officers stationed near likely targets** and permanently on site in various locations.
And you don't necessarily need an "armed officer" to deal with someone with a knife, CS spray, tasers, heck at a pinch a barrier pole/queue guide (as I think was used in Sydney) can delay/hold someone away for long enough for the armed police to arrive.

*An ARV requires pretty much the highest qualification for police driving (as does traffic), a high performance vehicle (ditto), medical equipment and training etc. The thing is, unless they need them the guys that do double duty IIRC have their guns out of sight.

**Airports, police stations, courts, pretty much anywhere in Central London, power stations etc.

It varies by force policy and resourcing requirements, some will use their ARVs in dual-role to cover RPU too, some don't and others keep their ARVs as far away from anything involving anything resembling normal police work as they possibly can due to fear of public perception. Some of the stories I've heard about ARVs being instructed by senior officers to literally drive in the opposite direction of an incident to get them away from the area are astounding.

In London, Liverpool, Manchester, Birmingham etc they have dozens of ARVs on at any one time but a smaller town in a more rural force? No chance, you're on your own until they get there. At best the officers being sent in first will have Taser, at worst they won't, and Taser is around 50%-ish reliable last time I checked. Unfortunately it's going to require some more people - both public and police - to be hurt or killed before the topic of routine Taser carriage and arming gets revisited, and with trust in the police where it is at the moment I don't think neither police leaders nor the Home Office want to even contemplate bringing it up.

 

[Participant]

Apparently he had worked as a male escort

RIP hurfdurf.

 

[NZXT30]

The fact that he posted an advert doesn't mean anyone booked him, could easily have still been an incel.

Ever met an incel? Their confidence level is below zero can't imagine any of them putting up an escort ad.

Plus he was obviously a good looking guy. What a tragic incident for everyone involved.

 

[malachi]

The fact that he posted an advert doesn't mean anyone booked him, could easily have still been an incel.

I'm sure he got bookings.... Just not from females or good looking ones.

 

[VincentHanna]

Ever met an incel? Their confidence level is below zero can't imagine any of them putting up an escort ad.

Plus he was obviously a good looking guy. What a tragic incident for everyone involved.

It looking more likely it might have been incel related:

"The videos speak for themselves, don't they?" New South Wales Police commissioner Karen Webb said.

"It's obvious to me, it's obvious to detectives... that the offender focused on women and avoided the men.

His father, Andrew Cauchi, told reporters his son had battled with mental illness and recently come off his medication.

"To you he is a monster. To me, he was a very sick boy," he said, in a video posted by The Australian newspaper.

"He wanted a girlfriend and he's got no social skills and he was frustrated out of his brain," he added, when asked about why his son may have targeted women.

 

[malachi]

It looking more likely it might have been incel related:

Looks more likely a person battling with mental issues if you remove the gender. Funny how the world works when the roles are reversed.

Man commits this crime towards women. "Oh, he was an incel!"
Woman commits this crime towards men. "Oh, she was struggling with anxiety and depression!"

Not trying to derail the thread or justify the evil this man commit but people wonder why men dont talk about mental issues or seek help. You kind of see the reason why.......

 

[VincentHanna]

I mean, obviously there's mental health issues there, it's why I kept it in the quote from his father.

You don't tend to run around stabbing women and babies if you are the full ticket.

However, to your other point it's not often (ever?) that we see women rampaging through public places attacking random men.

 

[malachi]

However, to your other point it's not often (ever?) that we see women rampaging through public places attacking random men.

I think you sort of my missed my point

Women get far more support than men when mentally struggling. So no, you are not going to see women rampaging through public places attacking random men.

 

[One More Solo]

I think you sort of my missed my point

Women get far more support than men when mentally struggling. So no, you not going to see women rampaging through public places attacking random men.

Citation needed.

e: what I'm specifically taking issue with here is "women get far more support than men". If your point is women are more likely to seek support than men, then I might agree.

 

[Dis86]

Citation needed.

e: what I'm specifically taking issue with here is "women get far more support than men". If your point is women are more likely to seek support than men, then I might agree.

Seeking leads to getting so it's ultimately the same thing. Albeit it's probably not for lack of provision. Sadly it's why men are far more likely to kill themselves.

 

[CaptainRAVE]

It looked more like he ran up to the men, was confronted and ran to the easier female targets instead, many of whom either didn’t or couldn’t run. Again, you see men literally pick up their kids and run off. You don’t see many women do that in the videos posted.