The exact same plea was made to Hussein days before the invasion of Iraq. Not much he could have done sure, he didn't have WMDs to give up, but regardless, the Americans wanted to make their move then and they did, they want to now and they will.
Poll: Syrian Chemical Weapon Attack
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The exact same plea was made to Hussein days before the invasion of Iraq. Not much he could have done sure, he didn't have WMDs to give up, but regardless, the Americans wanted to make their move then and they did, they want to now and they will.
Actually Saddam kept up the pretence of having non existent WMDs so there is no similarity.
If Assad refuses to give up weapons that are supposedly of no military value to him on the request of his closest ally then it will strengthen the US / G20 view that action is necessary and increase popular support.
The conspiracy theories are starting to unravel.
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http://rt.com/op-edge/mother-chemical-attack-footage-fraud-509/
I thought she made some good points assuming they are accurate.
I thought she made some good points assuming they are accurate.
What was that, saying "we have no WMD" while pushing round cardboard cut outs or something?
http://news.sky.com/story/706761/saddam-i-lied-about-wmd-in-fear-of-iran
Anyway I see the US is delaying the vote on action in light of the Russian proposal - hardly the warmongering / false flag nonsense that has spewed out of this thread in the last few days.
Hopefully we will see action on the chemical weapons now rather this absurd and sickening Assad regime fanboyism.
people need to put WMD's in context for a second and realise the objective's in a war zone and why killing 1400 people dead mostly children means nothing in this war to Assad but bad news.It has no strategic outcome for the army or Assad the only outcome of a chemical attack would have been the horn to let loose the howling american dogs of war and im sure they know this it has been in the news often enough.
Do people really think a bunch of idiots are running syria and though yea lets use the chemical bomb on random people in a suburb.The war is all over syria unless it was a chemical attack on a massive rebel base it would be downright INSANE to even think of using chemical weapons on such a stupid suburb with no strategic outcome.
There is simply no way anyone with an above average IQ could rush in to blame Assad and come out with thier dignity and reputation intact.I do not care what they say about proof it come's down to logic and what anyone would do if in Assad's shoes.Personally i would be dumping every bit of Sarin as far away from Syria as possible to keep the americans out of the fight.
And answer me a very important question if Assad is using chemical weapons why has he not launched more? Why funny enough after lots of talk about chemical weapons do they magically appear for just one mindless and unimportant strike? It is all too convenient for me perhaps they learned from Saddam that to use the WMD context you first need to actually find someone with WMD's and then you have to frame them up that they are actually using them.
Do people really think a bunch of idiots are running syria and though yea lets use the chemical bomb on random people in a suburb.The war is all over syria unless it was a chemical attack on a massive rebel base it would be downright INSANE to even think of using chemical weapons on such a stupid suburb with no strategic outcome.
There is simply no way anyone with an above average IQ could rush in to blame Assad and come out with thier dignity and reputation intact.I do not care what they say about proof it come's down to logic and what anyone would do if in Assad's shoes.Personally i would be dumping every bit of Sarin as far away from Syria as possible to keep the americans out of the fight.
And answer me a very important question if Assad is using chemical weapons why has he not launched more? Why funny enough after lots of talk about chemical weapons do they magically appear for just one mindless and unimportant strike? It is all too convenient for me perhaps they learned from Saddam that to use the WMD context you first need to actually find someone with WMD's and then you have to frame them up that they are actually using them.
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Ok call it one attack then.Why just one attack on one suburb? Why not hit them all at lets face it the outcome of using one sarin attack over using a hundred is going to be no different.The americans are going to come either way so again makes no sense.
Unless some rogue commander inside the army did it? Then again the army is pretty closed off with them being alawites.It deffo was not Assad or his orders imo.
Because Assad is under siege by a whole bunch of militias all fighting to get rid of him, using chemical weapons to clear an area without turning it to useless rubble does present a strategic goal, he will also have Putin on the phone saying "don't worry - we'll deal with the americans" which exactly what's happening, Russia is playing games, and when it comes to playing games the Russians generally do it as good as anybody.
Don't forget, Russia historically has some of the best spies - it wouldn't surprise me if Putin knows more about what's actually going on in the whitehouse than the president.
But the intelligence presented so far demonstrates that there has been at least 14 other instances of chemical weapons use in Syria, the Aug 21st attack was by far the largest, but it's not an isolated use.
It is alleged the rebels are going to attack Israel and blame Assad. If that happens it will be a massive game changer. Britain will get involved.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhhFUnGnbOk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhhFUnGnbOk
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that would be rather banterous.
lol why even bother attacking him if you are israel anyways i mean he is doing them a favour fighting al nusri and those other groups attacking assad.As soon as assad falls they will all be able to join up against israel again.
The only player missing would have been Egypt but since they kicked out the muslim brotherhood it looks like egypt will sit this one out for a change.It still leaves Iraq,Syria,Afghanistan as major hotbeds of islamists.I wont be suprised of jordan and the rest go that way soon then Israel can once again call out on all the western states to help it and gain billions of tech to defend its self.
Killing assad makes sense if you have a really messed up agenda that involves building up extremists in the middle east to lure them out in mass and crush them.
The only player missing would have been Egypt but since they kicked out the muslim brotherhood it looks like egypt will sit this one out for a change.It still leaves Iraq,Syria,Afghanistan as major hotbeds of islamists.I wont be suprised of jordan and the rest go that way soon then Israel can once again call out on all the western states to help it and gain billions of tech to defend its self.
Killing assad makes sense if you have a really messed up agenda that involves building up extremists in the middle east to lure them out in mass and crush them.
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Egypt closed Suez Canal to US warships, so they are not exactly sitting out...
Anyway it seems the Obama is trying to get out of this messy situation which is making him look like an idiot, while Putin a person who is ex KGB is gaining much more credibility than whole US government.
I dont believe Kerry`s chemical weapons give up was a slip up, it seems the only way the USA can get out of this mess not completely ruined.
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Putin isn't gaining any credibility, all he is intent on doing is anything possible to undermine the UN and NATO. The Russians have no concern for Syria what so ever.
Like we did with Iraq?
Agreed. However he has shown his political skill with the proposal and completely outmaneuvered Obama after Kerrys remark. Russia can now keep pumping weapons to Assad and have everyone think its a good idea. Obama needs to come out and require an admission of guilt from Assad and punishment of the commanders responsible before agreeing. If Assad refuses, release the intelligence showing culpability. Either way, Obama looking like he hasnt the will to implement his own foreign policy and that makes a lame duck.
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Kerry's remark was a bluff, Russia called it in with a bluff, US the calls in that bluff to get out the hole they were in.
No one expected the Russians to call in Kerry's bluff, and the Russians were certainly not expecting the Americans to call theirs in. Its now a lose lose for the Russians as the Americans now have the opportunity for getting troops into Syria under the disguise of securing chemical weapons factories...
No one expected the Russians to call in Kerry's bluff, and the Russians were certainly not expecting the Americans to call theirs in. Its now a lose lose for the Russians as the Americans now have the opportunity for getting troops into Syria under the disguise of securing chemical weapons factories...
If I were russian I would be looking at it as a way of delaying any strike for at least 6 months, and lets face it, ensuring Assad wins. You could have international inpectors in to locate weapons dumps, test them, label and store them, all the time the SAA will be re-equipping with conventional weapons for an offensive. The SAA are by far better equipped and with their Iranian and Lebanese troops and russian arms, they should be able to crush the rebellion within that time. After Assad has total control again, kick out the inspectors and youre done.