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System builders are not happy with Ivy Bridge

"Intel is apparently currently apologizing to its customers"

What have they got to apologise for? Not their fault/problem that others expectations are too high based on little to no knowledge. They never guaranteed an overclock, or the ability to overclock at all.
People need to stop kicking their toys out of the pram at Intel regarding Ivy Bridge.
 
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^ So you'd be fine if Intel made little to no advancement in their i5/i7 range in another years time?

Edit: Or even went backwards as regards to overlooking as you suggested, you'd be fine with that?
 
^ So you'd be fine if Intel made little to no advancement in their i5/i7 range in another years time?

Edit: Or even went backwards as regards to overlooking as you suggested, you'd be fine with that?

It all seems to be an improvement to me. Where are you looking? IGP is better, faster stock clocks, better performance.

An Ivy Bridge based laptop would be great.
 
It all seems to be an improvement to me. Where are you looking? IGP is better, faster stock clocks, better performance.

An Ivy Bridge based laptop would be great.

Agreed IB is an improvement over SB, no denying that. The enthusiast sector covers a small % compared to the likes of the big PC manufacturers, they will love the faster, lower powered CPUs for their next round of machines.
 
Agreed IB is an improvement over SB, no denying that. The enthusiast sector covers a small % compared to the likes of the big PC manufacturers, they will love the faster, lower powered CPUs for their next round of machines.

Indeed, i agree.
I would love Ivy Bridge to of been a great clocker and with it being 22nm i was expecting so and also lower temperatures. However, i can't really justify complaining to Intel just because i can't make it run (above the released Intel stock speed) as fast and as cool i want it to..
 
Indeed, they're starting to push the current tech to the edge. There will be a point (we may have started to see evidence on 22nm) where laws of physics don't allow current tech to progress past.

It'll be interesting to see how the future tech copes with heat/power and the ever smaller transistors.
 
It all seems to be an improvement to me. Where are you looking? IGP is better, faster stock clocks, better performance.

An Ivy Bridge based laptop would be great.

Yes, it's an improvement. But disregarding the iGPU (which many people don't care for), it's all extremely minor, and all after over 1 years waiting.

That is why some people are disappointed. People expected more.

Personally, I'm not disappointed. But then again I didn't have expectations, unlike the many people who've been in the CPU scene for years, who did have expectations.
 
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These people need to wake up, get outside once in a while etc etc.. (insert alternative idioms to your personal liking). In the scheme of things 1 year from the previous iteration is a fairly small amount of time to warrant high expectations. Not to mention all the new process caveats. I don't see what sort of leaps they had in mind.
 
I don't see what sort of leaps they had in mind.

Probably more than 5% performance increase and not sure how many people expected impaired overclockability.

Also, if 1 year is truly such a short time to expect a good improvement, as you say, people wouldn't be this upset. But I'm guessing they've come to expect more than 5% performance improvement in over a years time, so I'd guess that's part of what their disappointed about.
 
According to our sources, that we cannot mention due to obvious reasons, system builders/integrators are not happy with Ivy Bridge at all, as apparently production parts can only go as high as 4.4GHz.

I wonder who the sources are...
 
Perhaps we were spoilt by SB's overclocking ability?

Wasn't it known that Intel are pushing integrated graphics more and more, because of Llano and mobile sectors clearly growing fast? People with laptops care about the iGPU I'm sure.

Alsom Cythx you mention after one year of waiting but I think you'd be silly to wait that long and not just have gone for SB in the first place?

Also, all OCUKs bundles are 4.6Ghz, which is still a very nice overclock.
 
Probably more than 5% performance increase and not sure how many people expected impaired overclockability.

Also, if 1 year is truly such a short time to expect a good improvement, as you say, people wouldn't be this upset. But I'm guessing they've come to expect more than 5% performance improvement in over a years time, so I'd guess that's part of what their disappointed about.

There's much more to a processor than clock speed. These processors and the chipset\socket they combine with provide a lot over their predecessor. Plus improved IPC, at lower clock speeds.
 
People expected waaay too much.

IB is a good improvement on SB.

Faster Clock-for-clock - Not a major leap, think most results are about 5-7% overall, but it IS an improvement nevertheless.
PCI-E 3.0 - OK not needed yet, but it's there.
HD 4000 IGP with DX11 support - Maybe you dont use it for video encoding, but I want to use it for Virtu MVP, so thats an improvement.
Memory Controller - A huge improvement from the controller on SB.
Uses less power - Not gonna save you loads of cash, but an improvement all the same.
Runs cooler (until you increase the voltages). - Hardcore OCers account for 0.000000000000000001% of sales. OK maybe a slight exaggeration there but you get the idea.

And the 3770K is the same price as a 2700K. I see nothing but benefits to IB. If you want to overclock the chip to 100Ghz, stick with sandybridge.

For everyone else though, Ivybridge is just...better. Plain and simple.
 
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I do agree with what's been said. It seems Fudzilla is a rather dodgy news source. After all, how many 'system builders' manufacture over-clocked machines? Ever seem an over-clocked Dell?

the real problem is actually how stable the programs and games have been in their resource requirements. My 5 year old Q6600 ought not be be able to run modern software but it still does pretty well. That lack of increased power needs from software has probably fed into the design of processors which are not trying to get more efficient rather than pushing out more and more power.

meanwhile, whilst Ivy is not much better than Sandy, to those of us with old kit it really is much, much more powerful and probably the moment to change kit. After all, OCUK manage a 4.5 GHz overclock just as they did for Sandy.
 
If you want to overclock the chip to 100Ghz, stick with sandybridge.

For everyone else though, Ivybridge is just...better. Plain and simple.

I agree, but this is Overclockers, so its no wonder ivy bridge has been met with some lukewarm attitudes
 
Perhaps we were spoilt by SB's overclocking ability?

Wasn't it known that Intel are pushing integrated graphics more and more, because of Llano and mobile sectors clearly growing fast? People with laptops care about the iGPU I'm sure.

Alsom Cythx you mention after one year of waiting but I think you'd be silly to wait that long and not just have gone for SB in the first place?

Also, all OCUKs bundles are 4.6Ghz, which is still a very nice overclock.

I didn't say I was waiting personally, I've in fact only waited 2 weeks for IB.

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IB is a good improvement on SB.

Faster Clock-for-clock - Not a major leap, think most results are about 5-7% overall, but it IS an improvement nevertheless.
PCI-E 3.0 - OK not needed yet, but it's there.
HD 4000 IGP with DX11 support - Maybe you dont use it for video encoding, but I want to use it for Virtu MVP, so thats an improvement.
Memory Controller - A huge improvement from the controller on SB.
Uses less power - Not gonna save you loads of cash, but an improvement all the same.
Runs cooler (until you increase the voltages). - Hardcore OCers account for 0.000000000000000001% of sales. OK maybe a slight exaggeration there but you get the idea.

And the 3770K is the same price as a 2700K. I see nothing but benefits to IB. If you want to overclock the chip to 100Ghz, stick with sandybridge.

For everyone else though, Ivybridge is just...better. Plain and simple.

A 3770k is 5-7% faster than a 2600k when both are at default clocks, but the default clock of a 3770k is 100 mhz over 2600k, so it's probably closer to 5% really if you OCd the 2600k to have an equal clock as the 3770k. And for people who are maxing out their OC, the higher headroom on SB is probably going to negate the minor clock-for-clock improvements in IB. eg. a 4.8 GHZ SB would probably perform almost equally as a 4.4 IB

I've yet to see where Virtu MVP has provided a benefit when you need it, most of the benches I've seen from it are things like:

1600x1200 150 FPS > 180 (no one benefits from this improvement)
2560x1600 45 FPS > 35 (this actually impairs performance when you actually need it)

If you can give me show me a good amount of benches of Virtu MVP increasing FPS when you're at borderline-playable FPS, then I'd appreciate Virtu MVP. But from what I've seen so far, it just impairs your performance at borderline-playable.

I think it's unfair to disregard enthusiasts opinions, especially considering that they're the ones doing the complaining, which is what this thread is about.

After all, how many 'system builders' manufacture over-clocked machines? Ever seem an over-clocked Dell?

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After all, OCUK manage a 4.5 GHz overclock just as they did for Sandy.

I'm pretty sure, in this context, 'system builders' are not the same demographic as people who buy pre-configured Dell Machines.

The argument that 'IB bundles are clocked just as high as SB bundles' is pretty poor, it doesn't consider most of the factors that people are worried about; heat (and thus noise), how much farther you can clock it, etc.
 
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I agree, but this is Overclockers, so its no wonder ivy bridge has been met with some lukewarm attitudes

Yes it is no wonder with all the overly opinionated garbage that is spouted out as if they were facts... it truly is one of the best forums for arguments especially looking at the AMD vs nVidia fanboy hate that goes on before launches.
 
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