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System builders are not happy with Ivy Bridge

jallan said:
Yes it is no wonder with all the overly opinionated garbage that is spouted out as if they were facts... it truly is one of the best forums for arguments especially looking at the AMD vs nVidia fanboy hate that goes on before launches.
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I don't think he was implying that OcUK forums are forums that attract civilized debate where fanboyism is rare. I think he was saying OcUK forums are a place that attracts OVERCLOCKERS.

Meaning of course people are going to whine, IB does not overclock well, and a higher proportion of people on these forums overclock compared with the general population, so of course you're gunna find a lot of people disappointed on these forums.
 
Cythx said:
^ So you'd be fine if Intel made little to no advancement in their i5/i7 range in another years time?

Edit: Or even went backwards as regards to overlooking as you suggested, you'd be fine with that?
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No, because its the law to replace your intel CPU every iteration.

Don't like it, don't buy it, really is that simple. Most of those unhappy got the IB based on rumours and theoretical performance based on very little evidence.
 
Woden said:
No, because its the law to replace your intel CPU every iteration.

Don't like it, don't buy it, really is that simple. Most of those unhappy got the IB based on rumours and theoretical performance based on very little evidence.
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I find that hard to believe seeing as every major review site had reviews up an entire week before the embargo was lifted.
 
That's a pretty funny article. I remember struggling like hell to break 4ghz on a C2D platform, starting from a 3ghz stock frequency. Only 4.4ghz? Oh noes.

Overclocking is a by-product of economics- it's worth more to Intel to put out a range of variously-crippled chips than to sell everything at their flat-out speed. Consequently cheaper processors can be pushed up to approximately the same speed as expensive ones. Next up Intel have to be pretty sure their worst chip will work with the crappiest OEM motherboard and power supply out there, we use better hardware that can run it faster.

Overclockers are at best a marketing stunt to Intel, we just aren't their target market.
 
Rossi~ said:
"Intel is apparently currently apologizing to its customers"

What have they got to apologise for? Not their fault/problem that others expectations are too high based on little to no knowledge. They never guaranteed an overclock, or the ability to overclock at all.
People need to stop kicking their toys out of the pram at Intel regarding Ivy Bridge.
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The K versions are specifically sold for overclocking, the warranty includes damage caused by overclocking. So how you can say they don't guarantee the ability to overclock I don't know.
 
Ollie1132 said:
Your covered by Intel for ONE replacement chip. So if you forget to fill your LN2 tank/over volt by accident they will replace the chip ONCE due to those causes. After that the warranty is pretty simple if Im honest.
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I would assume that you would then get another standard warranty on the replacement chip and then have the option to purchase this insurance again. Seems a pretty good deal to me if that's what your in to?
 
MonsterMoshi said:
I would assume that you would then get another standard warranty on the replacement chip and then have the option to purchase this insurance again. Seems a pretty good deal to me if that's what your in to?
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It's not insurance it's part of the warranty. Your still covered by the warranty on the new chip but it's continued from the old one and covers "if **** happens" such as PSU blowing your motherboard/chip completely degrades I do believe at least.
 
Surveyor said:
I'm not so sure that Intel's warranty actually covers overclocking beyond that specified in their publicly available specifications (TurboBoost).
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It doesn't according to Intel. However according to UK law; specifically the sales of goods act 1979, EU directive 1999/44/EC and the actual warranty it does.

It's advertised as a K model so can be unlocked for overclocking, the specifications list 1.52v as the max volts so a reasonable person would say overclocking a K model chip as long as you stay within specifications like TJMax/Tmax/Vcore max is normal use and any failure would be because of faulty manufacturing as opposed to consumer misuse within the reasonable lifespan of the processor.

The key point is that it's advertised as unlockable multiplier upto 63*, so it is assumed that is meant to be used as a feature of the CPU.
 
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Krono5 said:
It doesn't according to Intel. However according to UK law; specifically the sales of goods act 1979, EU directive 1999/44/EC and the actual warranty it does.

It's advertised as a K model so can be unlocked for overclocking, the specifications list 1.52v as the max volts so a reasonable person would say overclocking a K model chip as long as you stay within specifications like TJMax/Tmax/Vcore max is normal use and any failure would be because of faulty manufacturing as opposed to consumer misuse within the reasonable lifespan of the processor.

The key point is that it's advertised as unlockable multiplier upto 63*, so it is assumed that is meant to be used as a feature of the CPU.
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So based on that you're saying that everyone should be able to use a 63x multiplier and 1.52V and still be covered by the warranty when the chip fries?
 
Krono5 said:
It doesn't according to Intel. However according to UK law; specifically the sales of goods act 1979, EU directive 1999/44/EC and the actual warranty it does.

It's advertised as a K model so can be unlocked for overclocking, the specifications list 1.52v as the max volts so a reasonable person would say overclocking a K model chip as long as you stay within specifications like TJMax/Tmax/Vcore max is normal use and any failure would be because of faulty manufacturing as opposed to consumer misuse within the reasonable lifespan of the processor.

The key point is that it's advertised as unlockable multiplier upto 63*, so it is assumed that is meant to be used as a feature of the CPU.
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You are right according to the law, however it would be pointless trying to actually enforce that with Intel.

First of all they've no way to prove what voltage and clock speed you ran it at, and secondly even if they could you'd need to take them to court which would wipe out any financial gain.
 
If I was overclocking, having seen IB reviews, i'd have a 2500K/2600K. But i'm not, so i'll take IB.

I can see why overclockers are annoyed about it, but really, the only guarantee you get from Intel is that it works at stock - which it does.
 
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