yes lets justify all current actions by the fact at some point hundreds of years ago people who have long since died did bad things.
*** it we used to have slaves that's all the justification we need to start rounding the darkies up into camps eh?
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yes lets justify all current actions by the fact at some point hundreds of years ago people who have long since died did bad things.
*** it we used to have slaves that's all the justification we need to start rounding the darkies up into camps eh?
Prove it.
And who were we fighting?
Also there's the fact that those crusades for us ended a long time, whereas the 'others' have been crusading for a lot longer, and arguably, still are.
Look around you. The lowest form of terrorist scum like this use any excuse to force their agenda on people. They don't care about religion, they don't care about their own people. they only care about their own opinion and how they think things should be.
It just so happens that in this instance religion is their primary excuse. If it was any other religion in that part of the world it would be exactly the same. If there was no religion they'd invent an excuse.
Are you really being dumb here?
What you're trying to say is that if religion did not exist then terrorism extremism would not exist. Wrong. Life as we know it evolves around conflict and survival of the fittest and not just in human evolution. It will always be like this.
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i quoted ''enemies of islam'' as that's what the instigator in the execution says in the linked video (he doesn't actually carry out the shooting apparently and you don't see the shooting, the footage stops but the sound carries on) it's a video that i shouldn't have watched as even though i personally couldn't give a stuff about any of the people, it's a fact that in the year 2011, policeman who probably have families (i make the point of them being policeman as although they're probably a bit corrupt, they're still a symbol of law and order) have been kidnapped, lined up and shot
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not all of them are corrupt. Thats kinda stereotyping there.
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the americans are just as bad as the taliban...if not worse
I imagine blood in the pulmonary airway
I disagree, they use religion as an excuse to get their way, secondly Jihad is a defensive stand never an offensive one, I'm a muslim I know. Also they are not doing Jihad anyway, Jihad is only done when the religion is under threat, normally done when makkah is under attack. I dont support the Taliban or their actions in anyway, they are just a bunch of illiterate ****s who know nothing about their religion.
Let me put it simply, the Taliban dont like foreigners in their country, its been like this even in the soviet invasion. I know they are nutters but the world has to have them
I thought the mujahedin fought against the soviets and the Taliban were a break away faction who gained power through violence after the soviets fled.
That excuse, though, is religion, is it not? Regardless of other terrorist incidents, these ones were directly influenced by religious belief, or indoctrination. In fact, I would say that they ONLY care about their religion and it's agenda. They don't care about the people they're killing, but what that will mean for their religion and agenda as a result.
But their religion has developed partly as a result of being in that part of the world for centuries. Again, prove that they'd invent an excuse and not simply live as "normal" without participating in these acts.
No, I'm asking a valid question about the link between religion and terrorism and more fundamentally the link between act and enablement. As such I am also challenging the classic stance of "they would have found a way to do it anyway" which is usually presented in these kinds of debates with very little in the way of evidence.
If I were to be making any kind of definite statement, I would be saying that if religion did not exist then religious extremism (and the terrorism that can sometimes follow it) would not exist. Although that is a truism.
Life may exist, and in fact, thrive because of conflict, but that does not specifically mean terrorism. And if you had read my earlier post, I stated that I was not ignoring the other sources of conflict/violence in the world, but they are irrelevant because we are not talking about them. We're talking about religion, and the fact that it enables certain people to commit certain acts. Now the question is, answerable or not, if they didn't have that tool, or that justification, would they commit those acts? Religion has played an integral part of why they believe what they believe, and what they then do as a result. To ignore that fact is lunacy.
This is the 21st century, these animals still act like they are in the stone age.
These radicals still think there is still a war between Muslims and Christians for some reason.
not all, no
People like that use 'religion' as a staging post for their political and other ideologies as a way to entrench the masses. "You must do x else you'll burn in hell. Kill the infidel and you'll get 21 virgins in paradise" etc.
The Middle East and surrounding area is deep in conflict regardless of religion, and although I'm no expert on the topic it seems to me that the deprivation, perceived trampling from the West, and the frankly backwards cultural issues surrounding them simply allow religion to take an easy front-end stand for the will of the dictators and the mullahs.
Looking at it from a different angle, how many times have you heard the PM or US Presidents say things like 'God is with us' and 'By the will of God we'll succeed' and all that guff? Are you really telling me without religious belief they'd not have invaded Iraq? Or taken on Gadaffi? Of course they would - it's just another tool to promote their cause and to take on a righteous indignation to sway the masses behind them.
Religion is a tool, plain and simple. Like any tool it can be misused, and in the case of terrorism and Jihad etc one can definitively state 'You're doing it wrong!'. Talking of which, The Onion did a piece about God clarifying the 'Don't kill' rule...
In their eyes it's probably the invasion of Iraq, drone strikes on Pakistani muslim soil, US military bases in the Middle East, western support of Arab despots in Saudi Arabia, Syria, Yemen, Jordan etc, Unquestionable support of Israel by the US, perceived exploitation of Arab natural resources e.g. oil etc. Most of these reasons were in Osama Bin Laden's 1996 Declaration of War and are in Islamist literature. It's there in black and white if you want to read up on the reasons. There is also the ongoing conflict between Sunni and Shia Islam etc
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Yea they are bad people but there's been so many sick acts by all nations in history, english making people their slaves to suffer the rest of their lifes, Americans dropping 2 atom bombs on civilians for 2 random examples.
Just shows all humans can be brain washed from birth to carry out evil we can't comprehend.
Just shows all humans can be brain washed from birth to carry out evil we can't comprehend.
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to see it from their point of view i suggest everyone read this.... Now!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver
Didn't George Bush as good as say that god told him to invade Iraq?
Which is part of what I was alluding to above. Muslim extremists aren't the only ones to use religious ideology to bolster their socio-political and warmongering aims. That doesn't mean religion's at fault, it means if someone wants to do something they'll use whatever justification that can find.
I don't think that's fair, though you're right that there have been incidents as bad (look up the Kill Team for example).
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I wholeheartedly agree with rainmaker.
In the world, any thing can be used as a tool to try to promote one's agenda. This may well go against the wishes of masses. Religion can be easily used as a tool aswell.
Wasn't it the case in medieval europe that priests and bishops swayed and exercised big influence on the backward general masses. They also went hand in hand with kings etc to try to keep hold of their control.
To this day I feel very sad about all the women who were subjected to witch hunting in medieval europe by roman catholic church at that time