Terminator: Dark Fate

TheOracle said:
I assume that's the new sarah connor freedom figher? I was speaking about the little brunette. Why three women anyway? Is this a hollywood thing (like ghostbusters remake)
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Dunno, Arnie is rumoured to have 2 roles in the movie as well so maybe it shows why the previous t800's were modelled after him, probably have some kind of flashback scene showing him being captured (digitally de-aged naturally) and used as a template for the T-800 then him somehow escaping. Hopefully have a trailer in the next few months so be interesting to see what the setting is like.
 
Gerard said:
No real telling if the girl in the pics is a terminator, its been rumoured shes basically Sarah Connor's mk2.
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Yes I know, as I said I am just bitter!

However, if I had to make an actual guess I would say there is a chance she is a Human/Terminator, someone who is/was human but has been "upgraded".
 
Gerard said:
That's what happens when they establish rules in a movie, at some point they write themselves into a corner and if they don't have some elaborate way of writing around the issue they just ignore what they put in place.
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To be honest it is a general issue with most films (in fact all stories really) that try to address time travel; it's actually quite hard to not end up with a paradox scenario or an implausibly low butterfly effect, whilst also telling an interesting story (if people go back in time and don't influence anything then well, what was the point?). If you venture into this genre you have to go with it to some extent and not over-think things, although I must admit I do occasionally enjoy reading in depth articles about how people interpret the various lore, explain different scenarios etc.
 
the paradoxes would not be (edit: as much as) an issue if the director/writer themselves decided to eff up everything they'd set out in the original film just so they could get another paycheck.
 
Which Terminator 3 tried to explain, rather unsuccessfully.

BUT, even if Skynet was still created eventually and started WW3, events would change dramatically after Miles Dyson died and Cyberdyne was blown up...it wouldn't just carry on exactly as before.
 
The multi-verse theory is great for time travel as it allows you to have "what if you kill your father" type discussions which can work rather then be a paradox.
 
VincentHanna said:
Not only would he cease to exist, his mother would likely still be a waitress, and wouldn't have any recollection of ever having a son.
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You've hurt my brain now!

Skynet existed first in order to send the T800 back in order to leave his arm behind......creating cyberdyne systems (miles dyson).

If they blew the factory up, and melted arnie (T2), then all that would happen is just to reset the timeline back to how it was in T1?

I'm going in a mental loop

for it to make sense:

1
Army naturally creates skynet
Skynet sends back T800 (T1), and in turn leaves arm behind
Miles Dyson creates skynet
T2 happens and blows up factory
Loop back to 1

Unless two different people create skynet, a paradox occurs
 
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The paradox is that the very act of sending back a Terminator and the recovered chip enables Cyberdyne to create the Terminators in the first place. This is still true within T1, T2 is just an extension of that paradox.

Cyberdyne can't create the Terminator without the leap in technology created by the chip.

However, that's not to say Terminators weren't created further in the future and the first act of sending one back created the leap that enabled them to be created earlier.
 
SixTwoSix said:
The paradox is that the very act of sending back a Terminator and the recovered chip enables Cyberdyne to create the Terminators in the first place. This is still true within T1, T2 is just an extension of that paradox.
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It's true except that the recovery of the arm in T1 was a deleted scene and not actually canon until T2.

In T2 it's pretty explicit that ALL the files that Miles Dyson was working on have been destroyed (hence the need to head to the lab) though, so really that should be that.
 
VincentHanna said:
It's true except that the recovery of the arm in T1 was a deleted scene and not actually canon until T2.
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How much actual information are we given in T1 on the creation of Skynet? Just because we don't see it, it doesn't mean that the recovery of the T800 wasn't pivotal in creating Skynet.

Understand it wasn't canon until T2 but regardless, we're not told Skynet was created solely without external technology being reversed engineered?

Hope i've explained that right :D
 
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