Terminator: Dark Fate

FoxEye said:
That wasn't really my point.

Salesmen are generally good at selling themselves and getting paid a lot of money (unsurprisingly). I just wonder how much of it is money well spent :) Hence the slightly facetious "hookers and crack" comment.
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Fair enough, can't say I disagree.
 
Gerard said:
I take it you never watched salvation? For a future run by machines there's barely any of them in the movie. At least in the traditional "Terminator" sense, there's a few gimmick ones that only appear in this movie.
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Iirc, there wasn't much of anything in Salvation. Skynet is obviously really big on recycling.
 
There's a few things in both the casting and this trailer that leads me to think either the ending of T-2 is going to be changed via time travel, or we're going to see John Connor in a few sequences directly after the ending of T-2, and a few years down the line before he gets taken out by another T-800.

They have hired some kid to play John Connor at the age he was in T-2 and he looks very similar, so from that it looks like they're going to at least show some events directly after T-2. I reckon "Arniebot" is the one that takes John Connor out, he has battle damage so it would make some sense as in every other Terminator they seem to arrive in perfect condition (and not old). Legion succeeds\replaces Skynet and due to this it erases his programming or puts him in dormant mode as Skynet is out of the picture, he's reactivated and reprogrammed years later by Short haired Blondie. Sarah's reaction to Arniebot and telling him shes going to kill him sort of suggest this is the Terminator that finally took John Connor out.
 
FoxEye said:
Iirc, there wasn't much of anything in Salvation. Skynet is obviously really big on recycling.
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Salvation looked to use about 3 set locations, had barely any robots, and yet still managed to cost $200 million. $150 million of that must have went up the primary casts noses.
 
Gerard said:
There's a few things in both the casting and this trailer that leads me to think either the ending of T-2 is going to be changed via time travel, or we're going to see John Connor in a few sequences directly after the ending of T-2, and a few years down the line before he gets taken out by another T-800.

They have hired some kid to play John Connor at the age he was in T-2 and he looks very similar, so from that it looks like they're going to at least show some events directly after T-2. I reckon "Arniebot" is the one that takes John Connor out, he has battle damage so it would make some sense as in every other Terminator they seem to arrive in perfect condition (and not old). Legion succeeds\replaces Skynet and due to this it erases his programming or puts him in dormant mode as Skynet is out of the picture, he's reactivated and reprogrammed years later by Short haired Blondie. Sarah's reaction to Arniebot and telling him shes going to kill him sort of suggest this is the Terminator that finally took John Connor out.
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Why would this Legion thing care about John Connor? Assuming the old Arniebot wasn't sent back in time by future Legion but by future Skynet (from a future that now doesn't happen) then present-day Legion knows nothing about John Connor or his role in fighting Skynet... so why would it want him killed?

This is the problem with time travel. It quickly makes no sense at all :p
 
FoxEye said:
This is the problem with time travel. It quickly makes no sense at all :p
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Amen to that!

There is an argument I saw once that was really cool, regarding a quantum Skynet. It basically stated that it MUST act within very defined parameters or it could never exist, so the war it was fighting was within tiny windows of opportunity. But it ultimately all boils down to time-travel makes no sense. lol
 
FoxEye said:
Why would this Legion thing care about John Connor? Assuming the old Arniebot wasn't sent back in time by future Legion but by future Skynet (from a future that now doesn't happen) then present-day Legion knows nothing about John Connor or his role in fighting Skynet... so why would it want him killed?

This is the problem with time travel. It quickly makes no sense at all :p
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Well the target is no longer John Connor as he's dead by this point via the skynet (assumed) arniebot, its this hispanic girl thats the new target.

Time travel never really makes much sense in these movies, hopefully they do a reasonable job of explaining whats going on.
 
Gerard said:
Well the target is no longer John Connor as he's dead by this point via the skynet (assumed) arniebot, its this hispanic girl thats the new target.

Time travel never really makes much sense in these movies, hopefully they do a reasonable job of explaining whats going on.
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I should probably watch the trailer :p Are we talking about the same old Arniebot from the incredibly awful Genisys movie?
 
FoxEye said:
I should probably watch the trailer :p Are we talking about the same old Arniebot from the incredibly awful Genisys movie?
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Nope, this is a different one. I reckon its the one that finally kills John Connor and the events from that create this Legion thing which is an alternate timeline or something along those lines.
 
Gray2233 said:
Might get some hate for this, but I really enjoyed the first 30-40 minutes of Genisys.

...The latter part was utter cack, granted.
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The future war was interesting, as was "pops" vs the fully digital younger version of himself, though having the "i've been waiting for you" line and only turning up with a shotgun seemed a bit dumb, even if the plan was to have an ambush set up with a .50 cal.

One major problem is with the exception of Salvation, T3 and Genisys were essentially re-treads of T2. They need to get away from that entirely and have the future war be a main component of any future movie.
 
Gerard said:
The future war was interesting, as was "pops" vs the fully digital younger version of himself, though having the "i've been waiting for you" line and only turning up with a shotgun seemed a bit dumb, even if the plan was to have an ambush set up with a .50 cal.

One major problem is with the exception of Salvation, T3 and Genisys were essentially re-treads of T2. They need to get away from that entirely and have the future war be a main component of any future movie.
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To my mind there's an important incentive, and that's the "past" part of the potential movie. When dealing with time travel it's going to be a mess, so in that regard I think Genisys nailed it for the early parts of the movie, especially for the nostalgia factor. I expected it to have a mixed up 20-30 minutes that covered what we'd seen already, that made sense. Only after that point it turned the movie into something else entirely, and the result was utter garbage. Salvation attempted the other half of this and almost managed it, the beginning of the future war we all wanted. It never quite pulls it off, as such we're all a tad disappointed.

...I loved The Sarah Connor Chronicles because it worked for my mind coming from the almost perfect T2 ending. I really enjoyed the show, Fox ruined things due to mismanagement.
 
VincentHanna said:
It had potential

It also had a ****** director and a story that made no sense.

Didn't the terminator at the end throw John Connor around rather than just killing him instantly?
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Yes right after it was shown literally ripping a T600 in half... yet when it has the ability to the do same to its prime target it just, erm, decides to have some fun?!

I am still open minded about a new film, but the extra "behind the scenes" bits where it seems a lot of the focus was making it more "Michael Bay" like (more explosions and action for the sake of it) doesn't fill me with huge confidence.
 
Hamilton has not aged half as well as Arnie :/

Also lol at the idea of fighting a terminator with a grappling hook. Let me know how that works out for you :D
 
oweneades said:
Yes right after it was shown literally ripping a T600 in half... yet when it has the ability to the do same to its prime target it just, erm, decides to have some fun?!
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I watched the ending sequence of salvation last night, the T-800 throws connor around no less than 3 times, twice as arniebot and once as the endoskeleton. Cg was well done in that sequence i have to say.
 
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