Terror Plot Foiled

VIRII · 10 Aug 2006 at 09:51

kaiowas said:
It all seems a bit odd to me.

The publicly visible side of the security operation seems to be based around the assumption that some sort of attack was planned for today although this hasn't been explicitly stated anywhere. If the security services have known about this for months I can't see that they'd have let it get to the day of the attack before acting and arresting everyone involved as the risk of something slipping through the net is just too great.

That combined with the seemingly preplanned nature of the response gives me the impression that the plot itelf wasn't planned for today and that all these over the top security measures are nothing more than a public show of force to reassure everyone that we are on top of things.

There wasa suggestion that they fear a secondary part to the main plot. Clearly arresting people prior to today would tip off the secondary part of the plot. Plus in our legal system to get a conviction you need some serious proof.

Digital Punk · 10 Aug 2006 at 09:51

Bar said:
So far I have been called stupid and a tool - I thought personal insults were not tolerated on this forum?

At least one person picked up on the flippancy of my remark.

But on a more serious note:

Hezbollah has killed approx 90 Israelis - mostly soldiers.
Israel has killed approx 900 Lebanese - mostly civilians.

Hezbollah rockets cannot be guided.
Israeli munitions are all smart/precision.

If you don't want to be called a tool, then don't come into a thread about a foiled UK terror plot asking if its about Lebanon and Israel. :rolleyes:

There's plenty of other threads regarding that situation you can post in, so don't derail this one.

riddlermarc · 10 Aug 2006 at 09:52

kaiowas said:
It all seems a bit odd to me.

The publicly visible side of the security operation seems to be based around the assumption that some sort of attack was planned for today although this hasn't been explicitly stated anywhere. If the security services have known about this for months I can't see that they'd have let it get to the day of the attack before acting and arresting everyone involved as the risk of something slipping through the net is just too great.

That combined with the seemingly preplanned nature of the response gives me the impression that the plot itelf wasn't planned for today and that all these over the top security measures are nothing more than a public show of force to reassure everyone that we are on top of things.

So what about the millions wiped off the stock market, the loss of business for thousands of people and utter chaos at key points in the UK and indeed the world's travel infrastructure.. there's no way it could just be some sabre-rattling.

Docaroo · 10 Aug 2006 at 09:52

Bar said:
So far I have been called stupid and a tool - I thought personal insults were not tolerated on this forum?

At least one person picked up on the flippancy of my remark.

But on a more serious note:

Hezbollah has killed approx 90 Israelis - mostly soldiers.
Israel has killed approx 900 Lebanese - mostly civilians.

Hezbollah rockets cannot be guided.
Israeli munitions are all smart/precision.

Possibly because Israeli civillians are not ****ing morons. You are in the middle of a warzone, hezbollah rockets falling on one side, Israeli bombs on the other...

The Israelis are all in bomb shelters undergroound - I saw this on the news. Lebanese civillians are giving cups of tea to their Hezbollah friends as they shoot off another rocket... where are the most casualties going to come from?

Also, Hezbollah have fired well in excess of 3000 rockets, and at last count Israel has attacked 2,500 seperate targets, so essentially hezbollah has had the opportunity to hit more targets.

The point is, if theres a war on... DON'T STAND IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET IF YOU HEAR A LOUD "WHHEHEEEEEEEEEEeeeeee....." NOISE. THAT USUALLY SPELLS DANGER!

dirtydog · 10 Aug 2006 at 09:53

Docaroo said:
You are an IDEAL target from a terrorists point of view... Naive, gullible and you even admit that you tink the whole thing is a conspiracy and that there are no such thing as terrorists.

Hmm, no I've never said there are no terrorists - please quote when I've ever said that

Also please quote when I said "the whole thing is a conspiracy" in this thread or any other.

MookJong · 10 Aug 2006 at 09:53

Docaroo said:
Israel are FULLY justified in what they are doing regardless of civillian casualties.

I'm sorry but there is never justice in killing the innocent.

Tri-Woo-Ox · 10 Aug 2006 at 09:53

Overlag said:
you, like me, will be called anti semitic soon

I have allready had that comment given to me from people in my family and people around were i live, i have also been warned by the police that i should keep my comments about the war to myself while been told i could talk about it if i change my view.

Zip · 10 Aug 2006 at 09:53

kaiowas said:
It all seems a bit odd to me.

The publicly visible side of the security operation seems to be based around the assumption that some sort of attack was planned for today although this hasn't been explicitly stated anywhere. If the security services have known about this for months I can't see that they'd have let it get to the day of the attack before acting and arresting everyone involved as the risk of something slipping through the net is just too great.

That combined with the seemingly preplanned nature of the response gives me the impression that the plot itelf wasn't planned for today and that all these over the top security measures are nothing more than a public show of force to reassure everyone that we are on top of things.

The longer they leave it the easyer it is to catch them all.
They continue to keep an eye on them and watch there every move gathering more and more evidence and finding out who to go after.
Then once they are about to attack or do something biggish and they have what they need they swoop in and arrest the little ****ers and then tell the public.
If they just blurted it out to the public at the very start then they wouldnt have been abloe to collect as much information and the terrorists would go underground and hide for awhile

kitten_caboodle · 10 Aug 2006 at 09:54

dirtydog said:
I think what I said is self-evidently true - if you believe everything the government says without any scepticism then how is that not naive or gullible? It is the very definition of it. It was not an insult, merely an observation.

sorry honey but Sheeple would certain be a personal insult if you'd said it to me. If he was a sheep, he'd just be agreeing with you now wouldn't he?

I've seen 24. I know what goes on

VIRII · 10 Aug 2006 at 09:54

dirtydog said:
I didn't say that at all. If they LIE then they are liars Like with Iraq and its WMDs. If they shoot dead an innocent man on the Underground, or raid a house and find nothing there, they are incompetent.
(ignores personal, off topic comment )

What level of competence is acceptable to you? Are they allowed to make any mistakes whatsoever?
As for "personal comment" if you wish to criticise these people do you not then open yourself up for criticism? After all you've been critical of other posters here and called them sheeple. Surely you're not playing some double standard are you?

Seft · 10 Aug 2006 at 09:54

10 Aug 2006 17:46

CORRECTED - BA temporarily halts short-haul Heathrow flights

Corrects to add dropped word 'short-haul' in lead.

LONDON, Aug 10 (Reuters) - British Airways <BAY.L>, Europe's third-largest airline, said it had cancelled all short-haul flights to and from London's Heathrow airport until 1400 GMT on Thursday due to heightened security after a bomb threat.

The airline also said in a statement it expected to cancel some long-haul flights from Heathrow later in the day.

AJUK · 10 Aug 2006 at 09:54

Docaroo said:
stupid comment... would you rather have 1000 people blown out of the sky over the Atlantic?? WHAT WOULD YO SAY THEN??? Get a freaking grip... there is no conspiracy... what there is, is ****ing lunatics who have no right to live and should be met with all force necessary to stop them from even thinking about a terrorist plan...

Needless to say that Israel have my full moral support in their war against Hezbollah. Yes cizillians are killed... but how many Israeli's have died at the hands of these ****ers suicide bombs? The time is now to put an end to ALL of this terror for good. And here's a tip for civillians... don't stand next to a ****ing Hezbollah rocket launcher when you hear Israeli planes coming...

Israel are FULLY justified in what they are doing regardless of civillian casualties. And for that matter, so is the war in Iraq. And Iran when that comes to pass.

I agree with your sentiments on Israel there is evidence that the current situation in the Middle East is part of the whole problem.

I am sorry that you feel that I have made a stupid comment but that is how I feel. I jst cannot believe a thing that this government say. They have said many times that they have prevented the attack so why the need for inciting panic.

We have to look at the bigger picture as to why we are in the situation that we are in and this government are complicit in causing the problems that we are facing but that is a whole new arguemnt. If you don't belive what I suspect is going on that is your perogative but when in the future you are in the queue waiting for your microchip, don't say I didn't warn you.

Overlag · 10 Aug 2006 at 09:55

Digital Punk said:
If you don't want to be called a tool, then don't come into a thread about a foiled UK terror plot asking if its about Lebanon and Israel.
There's plenty of other threads regarding that situation you can post in, so don't derail this one.

ask yourself why the Islamic Extremists trying to do this attack???

Bar · 10 Aug 2006 at 09:56

Digital Punk said:
If you don't want to be called a tool, then don't come into a thread about a foiled UK terror plot asking if its about Lebanon and Israel.

If I want to avoid being called a tool I will post in a forum full of people who are old enough and mature enough to refrain from personal insults.

And thanks for the 6th of 7th rolleyes you have given me - my you must be getting dizzy.

newbiejim · 10 Aug 2006 at 09:56

Overlag said:
you, like me, will be called anti semitic soon....Israel supporters blindly support them even though they totally miss the point. Your post sums up Israels actions quiet well. Against all international law, yet still allowed to do it because they are on "our side"......

....while people will be asking why has Israel been mentioned in this post about UK terror plots, you have to find the route back to why Islamic extremists hate the US and UK.... And most will include Israel in there top 3 reasons to attack the US/UK.

hear hear, the Israelis flout international law at their will, and we are seen to be complicit, IMHO if we actually did something of substance against Israeli interests then the Arab world would perhaps be more likely to believe that we have credible motives. It sickens me that we support Israel no matter what

wordy · 10 Aug 2006 at 09:56

VIRII said:
Hopefully it is as good as all the times where they have got it spot on that you are unaware of because it did not go wrong.

Good post, thank you for that. I was going to post exactly the same thing, but you beat me to it

VIRII · 10 Aug 2006 at 09:56

Tri-Woo-Ox said:
I have allready had that comment given to me from people in my family and people around were i live, i have also been warned by the police that i should keep my comments about the war to myself while been told i could talk about it if i change my view.

Did the police not also stop people from making unpleasant comments or critical comments about Islam to themselves? (Whilst protecting muslims carrying "behead westerners" type placards.
Seems like it works both ways to me, not to mention that they may be advising you for your own safety in case some loony attacks you for your thoughts / beliefs.

AJUK · 10 Aug 2006 at 09:57

Overlag said:
ask yourself why the Islamic Extremists trying to do this attack???

In all fairness we don't know who is behind these 'attacks'.

(It will be Muslims though)

Cuchulain · 10 Aug 2006 at 09:57

VIRII said:
Did the police not also stop people keeping unpleasant comments or critical comments about Islam to themselves?
Seems like it works both ways to me, not to mention that they may be advising you for your own safety in case some loony attacks you for your thoughts / beliefs.

"Do as we say, not as we do"

Docaroo · 10 Aug 2006 at 09:59

Overlag said:
....while people will be asking why has Israel been mentioned in this post about UK terror plots, you have to find the route back to why Islamic extremists hate the US and UK.... And most will include Israel in there top 3 reasons to attack the US/UK.

Ok, what a load of RUBBISH.

Hating the US and UK is one thing. But terror attacks are COMPLTEELY and UTTERLY wrong all across the board. There is absolutely NO justification EVER for a terrorist attack.

Your post reads like you basically condone what these ****ers do because they "don't like Israel and we are friends with them". That is a load of ****.

If they didn't blow themselves up on busses, tubes, trains, cars and nightclubs then MAYBE we could be at peace with no loss of civillians.

However this is not the case, Israels war is a retaliatory war. If you don't want Israel to attack you - don't ****ing capture their soldiers you IDIOTS.

If you don't want the US and UK to attack you, DON'T HARBOUR INTERNATIONAL TERRORISTS and over them protections.

And Iran, here's another tip to avoid the same: Don't declare that you want to "wipe Israel off the map" and then declare that you are enriching uranium and certainly don't get caught helping Hezbollah soliders. Not even Allah can help you if Israel find's an Iranian in Lebanon.

THey all have everything that's coming to them. What is the lives of 900 Lebanese civillians dying in a warzone compared to 2,500 who died as the Twin Towers fell?